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I'm sorry for my deficient English expression. I think I should try to explain what I meant.

  1. The word "income" is not what I did not like:  I did not like the "concept" of "being rich" = "having money", especially as socio-political objective, public and private, and as a synonym of "social wealth". I wanted to give a nuanced answer to your question: How can we arrange an economy so that we get richer?

  2. I agree: it's important not to lose sight of the system as is, as well as the system we'd like. The system, as it's, requires "income" ("money"):  but to obtain "social wealth". Wealth is not getting money, although money is needed to get wealth.

  3. We need increase societal income/wealth/well-being. The current crisis raises the question of to obtain the necessary wealth, the necessary resources. But, as we have to operate in the real -not utopian- world, we must ask, for the future without crisis, how we have to to obtain resources and also by the ideology that must underlie it.

  4. Particularly if we consider countries in the European periphery - we need to find a way to improve their wealth that isn't dependent on out-trading other countries. Can we dispense with the global or transnational relationship in this world as it is?

by PerCLupi on Sat Sep 1st, 2012 at 08:15:01 AM EST
Can we dispense with the global or transnational relationship in this world as it is?

Not without reordering the nature of how business is conducted and without individual nations regaining actual sovereignty. That sovereignty has to include the ability to determint, at least to a significant extent, the terms of trade for your economy, unless your economy is self-sufficient.

I believe that the potential for economic self-sufficiency posed by renewable energy is seen a posing a fundamental, if not existential, threat to the current paradigm of global elites strip mining the societies of the world so as to divert all available wealth into their coffers and that this is a significant reason for the relatively slow pace that renewable energy sources are being developed.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Sep 2nd, 2012 at 01:51:13 AM EST
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