Greece: Of paupers and taxes | 143 comments (143 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Default to save your homes (none / 1)

Assuming the loans you default on are non-recourse loans.

In Spain, full-recourse home mortgages are leaving people homeless, destitute, and indebted.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 12:34:31 PM EST
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Re: Default to save your homes (4.00 / 2)

There was a diary today on Daily Kos on this subject.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/02/16/1187676/-It-s-Not-Eviction-It-s-Murder

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 12:47:48 PM EST
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Re: Default to save your homes (4.00 / 3)

Yeah, but the Troika is using the Greek Government to make things worse by creating additional burdens from unpayable taxation that might be used for tax liens on homes that have no mortgage. The government should be protecting its citizens from foreign predictors, not vise versa.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 02:45:06 PM EST
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Re: Default to save your homes (4.00 / 4)

Actually one of the few sane things that the past governments have done is pass a law protecting "primary abode", meaning that the banks could not take away peoples' homes. This has been renewed and currently will hold until December 2013. However, statements from some high-ranking conservative MPs and others attributed to the troika, suggest that this will be the final deadline and that afterwards, all hell might break loose...

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 03:15:25 PM EST
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Re: Default to save your homes (none / 0)

Even in the USA, your home (if owned) cannot be taken if you owe debts. Bankruptcy allows you took your home, car and a little money.

by Upstate NY on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 04:02:50 PM EST
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Re: Default to save your homes (none / 1)

Not in all states.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 04:19:47 PM EST
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Re: Default to save your homes (none / 0)

Really? I'm surprised, I thought bankruptcy was federal law. The Chapters are all federal and all bankruptcies are adjudicated in federal court since creditors are from far flung states.

by Upstate NY on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 05:50:28 PM EST
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Re: Default to save your homes (none / 0)

Property and forclosure law are state law.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 05:54:55 PM EST
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Re: Default to save your homes (none / 0)

Right, but when it comes to bankruptcy, federal laws prevent seizure of home by creditors (if you own it, that is).

by Upstate NY on Mon Feb 18th, 2013 at 08:51:55 AM EST
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Re: Default to save your homes (none / 0)

Bankruptcy won't prevent seizure of a property if tne creditor has a valid lien. If it were otherwise, who would make a mortgage loan.

Hey, Grandma Moses started late!

by LEP on Mon Feb 18th, 2013 at 10:13:04 AM EST
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Re: Default to save your homes (none / 0)

It depends on the lien.

If it's a creditor and not the mortgage holder, the creditor's lien is wiped out. The asset won't be seized. It's protected. The holder of the title deed however is the true owner of the home, so a foreclosure would be in the works if the mortgage isn't being paid.

by Upstate NY on Mon Feb 18th, 2013 at 11:23:47 AM EST
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Re: Default to save your homes (none / 0)

No, I mean defaulting on mortgage payments on that home. No foreclosures on first homes

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 05:07:12 PM EST
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Re: Default to save your homes (none / 0)

I see. So what if you can't pay?

by Upstate NY on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 05:49:40 PM EST
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Re: Default to save your homes (none / 0)

I think they might be able to seize a borrower's other property if it's worth it to go through a lengthy trial. If the borrower has no other property, they can't really do much but wait...

The road of excess leads to the palace of wisdom - William Blake

by talos (mihalis at gmail dot com) on Sun Feb 17th, 2013 at 06:16:22 PM EST
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Re: Default to save your homes (none / 0)

What is the earliest conceivable date for another election?

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Feb 18th, 2013 at 02:01:28 AM EST
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