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This is seriously wrong fact-wise, too.
  • Earlier empires weren't any less soft-touch and didn't mind genocides, if only as warning to others. The Mongols 'excelled' in parts of Jin China, Western Xia, Persia (where whole cities of up to one million inhabitants were slaughtered), parts of the Kievian Rus, and of course Baghdad. A memorable episode of the unification of Qin China was the 260 BC Battle of Changping, when the Qin army massacred the entire 400,000-strong surrendered army of Zhao state (note that late Warring States period armies were de-facto conscripted national armies). Rome had the destruction of Carthago, the conquest of Gallia (Caesar himself wrote of butchering one million of whom most were civilians), the putdown of the Great Jewish Revolt and the Bar Kochba Revolt.  Etc. etc.
  • Meanwhile, the modern European colonial empires did not usually result in mass exterminations, either. India, Indochina, Russia's eastward expansion was taken without large-scale butchering, and so was most of Africa (Kongo wasn't the model but the extreme). The Americas and Australia are special cases due to the effectiveness of diseases (though there was the Black Death, too) and the level of the techno-cultural gap.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue May 14th, 2013 at 03:23:14 PM EST
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Africa you say? Same Africa which was ravaged on several occasions by the Europeans till it reached the present day nadir? What about the millions whipped out by the famines due to the incompetence, racism, and indifference of the British? Or they don't count? Part of the European savagery was the fact that they completely dehumanised their enemies/ victims so they simply didn't count. I suspect religion really did help here to whitewash conscience century after century.
by Ivo on Tue May 14th, 2013 at 06:48:56 PM EST
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He is talking here about mass slaughter or genocide including slaughter of women and children not 'mere' brutal colonial exploitation or the deaths of male warriors, such as the Zulu, who died rebelling against British authority when they were confronted by soldiers equipped with artillery, rifles and machine guns.

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by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue May 14th, 2013 at 08:07:53 PM EST
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You really like to move the goalposts. But no, "the millions whipped out by the famines due to the incompetence, racism, and indifference of the British" is neither a "mass extermination", nor does it contradict my claim that most of Africa was taken without large-scale butchering, nor is it unparalleled by earlier empires (for example the Mongols in East Europe again, Rome in newly conquered Dacia). As for completely dehumanising enemies, as a way to differentiate from earlier empires, come on! "Barbarian" wasn't a word invented in the last five centuries, nor "slave".

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed May 15th, 2013 at 04:51:36 AM EST
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