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Umm, no, I didn't. I pointed at the majority of nazi criminals, those that got away. Your claim that this generation of rich&powerful gets away with more criminal behaviour than previous ones is far-fetched and you didn't back it up.
by Katrin on Thu Jun 13th, 2013 at 10:52:31 AM EST
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Not really. We don't know what they're getting away with, by definition because they're - you know - not getting hauled up in court for it.

We do know that UK judges consistently pass down ludicrously lenient sentences on paedophiles and abusers who have establishment links, and that many investigations are actively prevented on establishment orders.

We also know from cases in Europe and the US (e.g. Franklin and Dutroux) there seems to be clear evidence of judicial, political and police protection of sadistic paedophiles.

And we know from the UK that someone like Jimmy Savile can make a career out of abuse, and will be allowed to do so, no matter how many victims complain. (And there were many.)

So - no evidence? Really?

If you're wilfully blind to the facts - or worse, are trying to sweep them under the carpet - you might think that.

But no one familiar with the evidence is going to agree with you.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jun 13th, 2013 at 11:11:30 AM EST
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ThatBritGuy:
Not really. We don't know what they're getting away with...

Exactly: we don't know and can't make the comparison Redstar made.

You point at cases where rich and powerful people got lenient sentences. I am not disputing that being rich and powerful helps enormously to get away with crimes. I am disputing that the present generation has better chances to get away than previous ones. And I am disputing that getting away with sexual abuse of children has become easier than in previous generations.

ThatBritGuy:

If you're wilfully blind to the facts - or worse, are trying to sweep them under the carpet - you might think that.

My, what a rhetorical flourish. Am I meant to clap?

ThatBritGuy:

But no one familiar with the evidence is going to agree with you.

If that is so, why don't you supply that evidence?

by Katrin on Thu Jun 13th, 2013 at 01:07:35 PM EST
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Katrin isn't arguing that the present elites gets away with little, she says that they don't get away with more then other generations elites.

I guess if studied (invent some metrics, find sources) the current crop would in comparision probably come in high in getting away with looting their core population, low in getting away with murders against their core population, low in getting away with murders against colonial populations, but high in getting away with destroying the biosphere upon which the civilization rests. Or something like that.

But really, the important thing is that they are getting away with too much. And as long as that holds I don't really think it is all that relevant wheter that is more or less then 19th century politicians or medival barons got away with.

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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Jun 13th, 2013 at 01:36:20 PM EST
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