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At one point, you say that the wisest thing may be to ignore him.

I don't think this is true.  Propagandist stooges for the 1% are no better than racists, imperialists, and other unacceptable purveyors of idiocy and hate.  They all should be shouted down from the public square.  They have the right to say what they like, but they are not entitled to a megaphone for their toxic ideas, nor are they entitled to an unopposed audience in the public sphere.

by Zwackus on Fri Jun 28th, 2013 at 07:08:29 AM EST
Well, I agree with you. I meant that he should be ignored by everyone -so that he would not be in the public square. He should not be published by any reasonable medium.

But, since he is, we must keep showing that he is a shameless propagandist.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Fri Jun 28th, 2013 at 07:47:53 AM EST
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The problem is also that he is privileged, indeed charged, to indoctrinate ALL Harvard undergraduates who take introductory economics with his definitive version of 'mainstream' economic propaganda. And Harvard is hardly unique in this. Nor will the 'mainstream' media even raise the issue.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Jun 28th, 2013 at 10:28:01 AM EST
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I'll bet a reasonable percentage of Harvard econ undergrads have a fair understanding of the CGHQ intertoobz, and do become aware of alternative interpretations "mainstream" shit.

Here's the txt version of google "Mankiw mainstream"


EconoSpeak: Mankiw's Reply to the Walk-Out
econospeak.blogspot.com/2011/12/mankiws-reply-to-walk-out.html‎
Dec 4, 2011 - That said, I think Mankiw fails to see two ways in which his introductory course, and other mainstream econ courses, impose a worldview that ...
Economist's View: "Mankiw's Reply to the Walk-Out"
economistsview.typepad.com/...12/mankiws-reply-to-the-walk-out.html‎
Dec 4, 2011 - That said, I think Mankiw fails to see two ways in which his introductory course, and other mainstream econ courses, impose a worldview that ...
Greg Mankiw's Blog
gregmankiw.blogspot.com

4 days ago - A sequence of observations on financial- and macro-economics.
Greg Mankiw's Blog: Galbraith on Mainstream Economics
gregmankiw.blogspot.com/...galbriath-on-mainstream-economics.html‎
Nov 3, 2008 - But there are at least 15,000 professional economists in this country, and you're saying only two or three of them foresaw the mortgage crisis?
Marglin and Mankiw | Jacobin
jacobinmag.com/2012/01/marglin-and-mankiw

Jan 20, 2012 - The point here is that this is a mainstream ideology, it's not Mankiw's ideology. Mankiw is perfectly right when he says that his text is a ...
Occupy Economics | Jacobin
jacobinmag.com/2011/12/occupy-econ/‎
On November 2, a group of Harvard students walked out on Greg Mankiw's intro ... he sees himself as following Samuelson's path, representing the mainstream.
anti-mankiw
anti-mankiw.blogspot.com/‎
Dec 22, 2012 - At various points during Anti-Mankiw's history we've devoted ourselves to a topic that is often completely ignored by the mainstream: institutions ...
anti-mankiw: Anti-Mankiw's Favorite Textbooks and Teaching Methods
anti-mankiw.blogspot.com/...anti-mankiws-favorite-textbooks-and.html‎
Nov 15, 2011 - We at Anti-Mankiw strongly disagree with Mankiw's reply. Mankiw's argument rests on the assumption that the building blocks of mainstream ...
Defending the indefensible | Michael Roberts Blog
thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/defending-the-indefensible

Jun 19, 2013 - He is also author of the most widely used textbook on economics by university undergraduates. So he could not be more 'mainstream'. Mankiw ...
Know What You're Protesting - Economic View - NYTimes.com
www.nytimes.com/2011/.../know-what-youre-protesting-economic-view.ht...
Dec 3, 2011 - N. Gregory Mankiw, an economics professor, has a message for students ... The course I teach is a broad survey of mainstream economics.

so the stoonts are likely aware that there is an anti-Mankiw website.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Ana´s Nin

by Crazy Horse on Fri Jun 28th, 2013 at 11:39:20 AM EST
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True, but they have to drink from the poisoned chalice if only to get a good grade in the course. This prevents many, including those who cannot get such a repugnant set of assumptions up in their minds without severe emotional distress and those who rebel at being forced to make such assumptions, from taking the course. Introductory economics is important, if not required, for many majors other than economics, from political science to engineering. In effect they are being forced to take the equivalent of a religious course in the faith and dogma of the dominant religion. Mankiw should be required to offer his course through the religious studies department.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Jun 28th, 2013 at 02:19:42 PM EST
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ARGeezer:
In effect they are being forced to take the equivalent of a religious course in the faith and dogma of the dominant religion. Mankiw should be required to offer his course through the religious studies department.

and like many religions what is demanded is the de-souling, the uncoupling of the will from the desire for the greatest good for the greatest number.

it's anti-religion, seen that way. an amputation of natural empathy, subbed with a prosthesis of pure self-interest.

only committed assholes need apply...

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jun 28th, 2013 at 03:20:22 PM EST
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People used to be comfortable spouting racist BS in public.  Now, not as much.  If economists were caught and shamed like Paula Deen every time they were intellectually dishonest in public, it would be a huge step forward.
by Zwackus on Fri Jun 28th, 2013 at 08:16:39 PM EST
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I'm still reeling from a phrase someone used in an email to me in 1999: 'economic discrimination.'

We're at least aware of racism, sexism, and the rest. But the cultural values of the West are currently founded on 'economic discrimination' - just as they used to be founded on slavery, genocide, etc.

And we need to attack it with a stronger and more memorable message than 'It's wrong, and people shouldn't do it.'

But getting from here to a place where discriminating for or against individuals on the basis of their financial assets is seen as equivalent to any other ism is going to be a long, long road.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sat Jun 29th, 2013 at 06:29:07 AM EST
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And I don't think it's going to be possible until a real intellectual antidote to the "You get what you deserve" poison that runs through modern Christianity (God's faithful are rich and prosperous!), the self-help movement (Positive thinking can achieve anything, so if you failed, you must not be thinking positively enough!), and modern economics (high salaries are a sign of high marginal productivity!).
by Zwackus on Sat Jun 29th, 2013 at 10:55:35 PM EST
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"that runs through modern Christianity (God's faithful are rich and prosperous!)"

I think this should rather be considered as running through Protestantism.
The Catholic faith (not that rich Catholics would place too much an emphasis on it) seems to run rather differently.

Earth provides enough to satisfy every man's need, but not every man's greed. Gandhi

by Cyrille (cyrillev domain yahoo.fr) on Sun Jun 30th, 2013 at 03:03:54 AM EST
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