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Of course there is a germ of (misapplied) truth in some of this: "Creating money without creating value leads to a crash". All of the money created on top of counterfeit real estate 'value' was the basis for the crash in 2008. The problem is that they vastly minimize what constitutes 'value'. Providing income support and medical care to the unemployed in the periphery does not, in their view, constitute value. And the only 'value' the ECB and the Troika have been concerned with is trying to impose the costs of the resulting collapse on the victims not the perpetrators.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Aug 25th, 2013 at 01:14:13 PM EST
I have half a suspicion Wagenknecht was loosely tying value to money as in "store of value", but I could be wrong.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 25th, 2013 at 03:13:38 PM EST
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Wagenknecht does say that Faust foreshadows Marx' critique of capitalism in the middle of the following century, so if pressed she might fall back on the labour theory of value.

Finance is the brain [tumour] of the economy
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 25th, 2013 at 03:33:47 PM EST
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Her thesis was on Marx, so that is entirely possible.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Aug 25th, 2013 at 03:53:27 PM EST
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PN. Goete's Faust was first published in part in 1806, so Marx's Capital was later in the same century. Goethe was about 50 in 1800, and had major accomplishments behind him, so he was active during the 18th century, but he lived until 1832 and was, from The Sorrows of Young Werther on, usually considered part of the Romantic movement, which bridged the centuries.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Aug 25th, 2013 at 04:30:45 PM EST
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I did wrote about sorrows in my school exam.; in other words I am an expert. So no, Sorrows is sturm und drang.

Young Goethe - Sturm und drang. old goethe - weimar classic. The (german) romantics saw Goethe as an antagonist.

by IM on Sun Aug 25th, 2013 at 04:39:06 PM EST
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I was aware of Weimar Classicism and of Goethe's association with sturm und drang. Perhaps it is that I and possibly others see sturm und drang as more associated with early romanticism than classicism, which, on a European scale, was mostly an 18 century movement. But then I found Jacques Barzun's Classic, Romantic and Modern annoying at 21.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Aug 25th, 2013 at 05:32:00 PM EST
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Yes, by Faust and his later works, Goethe had gone through his personal Thermidor, and the German Romantics were having none of it.  As for Barzun, I'm too old to find him annoying, merely pretentious.  If I were to live that long and accomplish nothing but to shovel such dookie, I would hope someone would have the grace to hit me in the head with a brick.
by rifek on Mon Sep 9th, 2013 at 12:51:24 AM EST
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