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A swedish kind of death:
Say that you have a nice mix of wind, solar and hydro. Now climate change moves wind from your wind mills, clouds to your solar and sun to the areas that lead water to your hydro dams.

i know this is not your argument, it's way too silly, you are playing devil's avocado.

if we can reverse climate change we still have deserts, if we can't we'll have more.

heck even moving huge gobs of panels is a minute logistical problem compared to say ring-fencing the aqua fallout from fukedupshima, or building out new coal plants.

what mystifies me is that china has less entrenched extraction industry lobbies, yet still has its head up its ass for the most part.

there have been more quacks about renewables lately from them, but opening coal plants and digging it up have to be way more costly than solarising the Gobi and gridding, and that's just economically, before you take into account the effects on climate and our emotional well-being (literally priceless), and absolutely not factored in.

the downline health savings alone would be prodigious...

damn weak tea as arguments go, imo.

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by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Sep 9th, 2013 at 07:17:11 AM EST
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Can't make a guacamole without squashing some avocado.

But I am partially serious, it would be a bad idea because while you are moving and building new energy infrastructure you would needlessly suffer deflation. And renewables are more resiliant then fossile fuel or nuclear which would be part of any mix if we switched today.

I am also playing avocado, because I don't think there is any risk of energy based currency replacing government violence backed currency. States have no reason to do that, and contrary to Chris I don't think states will fade away. Institutions last and the states has many ways to keep themselves relevant.

So the realistic scenario is energy tokens in addition to government money, in which case an energy crisis may cause a crisis of confidence in the energy tokens, but not deflation as government money remains dominant. It looks interesting as a way to make financing of new energy production easier, as long as it is not turned into yet another financial scam. Right now any and all alternative currencies (that are not horribly poorly constructed) is of interest as states while having the means to marshall the productive resources of society are instead insisting on them being idle, and if human punished for it.

So I guess I am with ARGeezer on this one, it is a partial solution. Which is not to bad.

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by A swedish kind of death on Mon Sep 9th, 2013 at 02:33:07 PM EST
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