Australian Greens lose ground in Australian Federal Election | 22 comments (22 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

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Yes, its whether you are engaged in purely pragmatic deal making, treating the votes you might attract as bait to swap for the votes some other micro-party might attract, or distribute your preferences by political affinity.

It didn't matter in South Australia in the end, as the Green was the 5th Senator brought over the line on Labor preferences, but in a strong performance by labor in which Labor was the 5th Senator, it would have cost the Greens a seat.

The Greens in SA received preference flows from the Sex Party (Civil Libertarian) and the HEMP party, which makes sense on political affinity when the remaining parties are the ALP, Nick Xenophon's paternalistic wowsers, and the Coalition and Family First on the right. Preference flows by political affinity for Wikileaks would have seen similar preferencing, possibly with Nick Xenophon ahead of the ALP depending on which took a less bad position on internet neutrality.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sun Sep 8th, 2013 at 02:50:22 PM EST
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The Sex Party was founded by a recovering Haredi woman. In one interview she cited Yair Lapid as a model. Is this yet another neo-lib party in disguise?

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Sep 9th, 2013 at 05:20:01 AM EST
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The Sex Party preferenced the Greens ahead of Labor and Labour ahead of Katter's Australia Party, Palmer United Party, the Coalition, Family First and Christian Democrats last, so on their major & 3rd party preferences, if they are neoliberal its no more than "common knowledge" neoliberal.

Under the 10% of a quota cut, they would have been relegated (0.0702), and of their five minor party and micro-party preference swaps, the Democrats (1), Wikileaks (3), One Nation (4), Shooters and Fishers (5) would have been eliminated, so their primary vote would have flowed to the Liberal Democrats.

So it comes down to whether they were a more progressive sounding stalking horse for the Liberal Democrats, or whether that was a preference deal reached without realizing the LDP would pull as a high fractional quota. You should only do a tactical high order preference deal with a substantially bigger party if they are big enough to possibly have a full quota and see their overflow coming your way.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Sep 9th, 2013 at 07:56:59 AM EST
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I should note that the "five" noted, this was the newspaper published preference lists, which omits a number of parties considered no-chancers.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Sep 9th, 2013 at 08:01:55 AM EST
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Australian Greens lose ground in Australian Federal Election | 22 comments (22 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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