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a study which analysed cases of convicted child abusers

No study based on convictions can be accurate.

Rape conviction rates are tiny. It's a given child rape conviction rates are far tinier, because most cases don't get to trial. Of those that do, it's far easier to secure a conviction when there's independent corroboration - for example, in a family - than it is to convict those in a position of authority.

The latter get dual protection. Not only is the abuser able to use a position of power to silence victims, but if accusations are made, the abuser can rely on higher political or religious authority to cover up the abuse.

This is exactly what happened in the Catholic church, in many of the UK's music schools, in the BBC, which seems to have been very good at protecting some of its entertainers, and is currently happening in Westminster, where serious questions based on written evidence - or sometimes the mysterious disappearance of written evidence - are being asked about important political names.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Feb 27th, 2014 at 09:20:56 AM EST
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ThatBritGuy:
No study based on convictions can be accurate.

Sure. That's why I used expressions like "evidence points at" and so. There simply aren't studies with representative samples of all detected and undetected child abusers... The evidence we have still points in one direction. Do you doubt that the wish to dominate, not paedophile disposition, is the motivation in the majority of the cases? If so, may I ask what reasons you have for your doubts?

by Katrin on Thu Feb 27th, 2014 at 09:51:51 AM EST
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Do you doubt that the wish to dominate, not paedophile disposition, is the motivation in the majority of the cases?

Adults are so powerful that if domination were the goal, sexual domination is redundant. It's simply unnecessary when it's so easy for adults to intimidate and manipulate children in other ways.

Besides, sexual dominance/submission orientations have been understood by psychology for well over a century. I'm not aware of any literature or research that suggests they're synonymous with paedophilia, or even that there's significant overlap. Are you?

Given that the dictionary definition of paedophilia is 'sexual attraction to children', it seems odd to suggest that sexual attraction to children isn't the point.

Paedophiles say as much themselves. The BBC published this history of paedophile organisation PIE.

The quotes make it clear that paedophiles feel the same attractions that adults feel, but with a focus on underage children instead of other adults.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Feb 27th, 2014 at 11:02:56 AM EST
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But sexual dominance/submission orientations are also uncorrelated with adult rape.

So rape and child sexual abuse must require an additional ingredient distinct from sexual orientation.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 27th, 2014 at 11:59:11 AM EST
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Yes. And there are for instance heterosexual men raping men. It is not (at least not necessarily) related to sexual orientation.
by Katrin on Thu Feb 27th, 2014 at 12:25:49 PM EST
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I'm not disputing what paedophiles feel. I am not disputing that a subset of them commits acts of paedosexuality. I am disputing that all the perpetrators of paedosexuality are paedophiles, and there I am in accordance with all sources of scientific literature on the topic . The evidence we have has convinced me that only a minority of them are.

I don't know what the history of PIE is meant to prove on this point.

by Katrin on Thu Feb 27th, 2014 at 12:22:14 PM EST
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