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http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSkhrushchev.htm

Nikita Khrushchev, the grandson of a serf and the son of a coal miner, was born in Kalinovka, Ukraine on 5th April, 1894.

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by vbo on Wed Feb 26th, 2014 at 05:16:57 AM EST
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Even if his birthplace was in modern Ukraine was he Ukrainian or Russian? The article uses the spelling of his birthplace used for Russian cities, while the Ukrainian towns (there are several of them) are spelt Kalynivka.

In any case, Wikipedia puts his birthplace in the one in Kursk Oblast, on the Russian side of the border.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Feb 26th, 2014 at 05:24:35 AM EST
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Even if his birthplace was in modern Ukraine was he Ukrainian or Russian?
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by vbo on Wed Feb 26th, 2014 at 05:27:27 AM EST
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He did go on to live in what is now called Donetsk, joined the Ukrainian Communist Party, fought in the revolutionary wars in Ukraine against the Whites, rose in the Ukrainian CP...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 26th, 2014 at 05:30:44 AM EST
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Donetsk - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Donetsk was founded in 1869 when the Welsh businessman John Hughes built a steel plant and several coal mines in the southern part of the Russian Empire at Aleksandrovka (Ukrainian: Олександрівка). The town initially was given the name Hughesovka (Yuzovka; Russian: Юзовка; Ukrainian: Юзівка).^[4] By the beginning of the 20th century, Yuzovka had approximately 50,000 inhabitants,^[5] and had attained the status of a city in 1917.^[6] The main district of "Hughezovka" is named English Colony, and the British origin of the city is reflected in its layout and architecture.

Perhaps Khrushchev was Welsh.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Feb 26th, 2014 at 05:38:33 AM EST
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Khrushchev had a significant cultural identity with the Ukraine. I recall from my Russian History professor that Stalin treated him almost as a court jester and Ukrainian specimen, but a loyal Communist Ukrainian and a shrewd one at that. I had not realized that the Tatar identity of the Crimea had remained so thoroughly intact until Stalin's time, though I was aware of Stalin's massive use of internal relocation of ethnic minorities for political purposes. One tell of the Tatar identity of the Crimea was the name of the Russian noble from whom John Hughes bought the land he used to create his Russian steel empire: Sergei Kochubey. The 'bey' is the tell. Co-option of local elites was a standard policy of Russia under the Romanovs.

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by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Feb 26th, 2014 at 09:53:40 AM EST
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Now I am checking USSR leaders and just found out that Leonid Brezhnev also was born in Ukraine.

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by vbo on Wed Feb 26th, 2014 at 05:24:49 AM EST
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