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Yes, civil war is looming, and if we get US and USSR Russia involved with troops it would not take all that much for WWIII to start.


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by A swedish kind of death on Thu Feb 27th, 2014 at 08:32:56 AM EST
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Yeah I am afraid too.But if we, God forbid, come to this war between USA and Russia (and partners on both sides)I don't believe they'll need troops...it will all happen in the air...
Who would believe we will come to this point to even consider it?
People just can't learn from the history...
And honestly I would get rid of all the governments in the world...I have a dream...we/people should vote about what we want trough social media and just have professionals to prepare material on what we can vote.
There is more then enough of everything on this earth if people just want to share and if they suppress greed. I can only dream...  

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by vbo on Thu Feb 27th, 2014 at 09:04:55 AM EST
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I don't see a realistic scenario for the US to send troops except as part as a UN sponsored Peace Keeping Mission, which Russia would have to approve.  

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by ATinNM on Thu Feb 27th, 2014 at 11:24:11 AM EST
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A civil war in Ukraine (each side supported by Russia/the "West") is entirely possible. If it spills over to Nato member Poland, a scenario which would be not too unrealistic, the US would probably send troops. I don't believe that such an escalation is intended, but I am not sure that it can't happen.  
by Katrin on Thu Feb 27th, 2014 at 03:15:10 PM EST
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Russia isn't going to fight a proxy war against NATO one day's tank drive from Moskva - if it escalates to the point of proxy war, Russia will escalate clear up to real war.

And once you have Russian troops on the ground, NATO is going to back off. Keep funding crazies, Afghanistan-style, perhaps, but nothing more than that. Hard to see how that could spill over to Poland or the Balkans; I don't think there's that much overlap between the Polish crazies and the Ukrainian crazies. Belarus would be a more obvious flashpoint.

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Feb 27th, 2014 at 03:28:43 PM EST
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US does not need approval to wage war, neither does Putin's Russia. As the Cuban crisis showed, stationing missiles on one's doorstep threatens the existence of a world power. Cuba belonged to the hemisphere of the US, same with Ukraine for Russia today. Putin will engage politically and retake the Crimean peninsula, and rightly so.

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by Oui on Thu Feb 27th, 2014 at 03:49:02 PM EST
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"rightly so"?

Wow, who knew Oui was a Cold War warrior (on the Russian side)?


by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Feb 27th, 2014 at 04:22:26 PM EST
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Listening today to Rasmussen, Kerry, Hagel and Oliinyk, I may be mistaken!

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I'm so glad we've got democrats running the show in Kiev.  :-)

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by Oui on Thu Feb 27th, 2014 at 06:55:08 PM EST
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Shift the goalposts if you like. I'm not defending the Ukrainian nationalist far right.

I've consistently said that Russia considers it has vital long-term interests in Ukraine and will not let them go. But that's a simple observation, I make no value judgements.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 28th, 2014 at 01:57:09 AM EST
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