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My understanding is that the Ukrainian political system was reasonably closely balanced between west leaning and east leaning factions

No, that's the picture Western media is painting, but the various factions were always capable of changing their ad-hoc alliances and changing their relationship to Western powers and Russia. Back when she was PM, Tymoshenko allied with Yanukovych against President Yushchenko, and the latter two finally allied against her, and Tymoshenko made deals with Putin when she saw fit (as Putin recently recalled in his failed attempt to use her to split the current regime), and Yanukovych as President also had gas troubles with Putin and IMF cooperation and attempts to woo the West. At the socio-cultural level, the centre around Kiev is the balance between the Western Ukrainian nationalists and the Eastern pro-Russians.

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by DoDo on Tue Mar 11th, 2014 at 12:48:09 PM EST
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Yes, but below the level of shifting political alliances, what is the demographic balance between Russian speaking, Russian orthodox and the rest, and would the defection of Crimea significantly effect that balance? I suspect the annexation of Crimea could have the effect of uniting most of the rest of Ukraine, at least at a political level, against Russia, in an attempt to protect the territorial integrity of the remains of Ukraine Otherwise the future of Ukraine, as an independent state, is at issue.

I'm not sure that the shifting alliances of the past necessarily invalidates my thesis that Russia will gain Crimea at the cost of its dominant influence in rump Ukraine..

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Mar 11th, 2014 at 01:15:32 PM EST
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what is the demographic balance between Russian speaking, Russian orthodox and the rest

I tried to indicate that there is no such clear distinction. Whether you use religion or language, both the Western Ukrainian nationalists and the Eastern Russians are a minority, while the centre around Kiev (which is much bigger than the Crimea) is Orthodox and mostly bilingual, and its vote can change between parties. In other words, the key to majority is winning majority in the centre, and losing Crimea would not change that.

I'm not sure that the shifting alliances of the past necessarily invalidates my thesis that Russia will gain Crimea at the cost of its dominant influence in rump Ukraine..

You are assuming that the situation today or tomorrow will stay permanent. But there are several possible scenarios, and IMHO two of the most likely ones are:

  • the Maidan revolution parties might lose popularity due to economic reform and the rush to NATO and then a new force on the ashes of the Party of the Regions could take over in the next elections; or
  • most ethnic Russians in the East come to resent Russia's grab of the Crimea and decide to stick it out as part of Ukraine now but change their views after seeing how the new government fails to rein in nationalists, leading to a federal semi-break-up or a real break-up in a civil war before the next elections.

In short, I don't see how the loss of Crimea could lead to a significant permanent shift in the power balance.

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by DoDo on Tue Mar 11th, 2014 at 02:45:55 PM EST
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