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is, quite frankly, that Putin does not send them in. If he does, there will be no stopping them.

So what might convince Putin not to invade the Ukraine (again)?

Well, I have no idea what so ever. But either showing weakness or sending NATO troops to the Ukraine seem like mad alternatives which certainly will increase the risk of a Russian intervention.

I very, very much want to warn everyone against engaging in mirror-imaging:

Be Wary of Mirror Images.
One kind of assumption an analyst should always recognize and question is mirror-imaging--filling gaps in the analyst's own knowledge by assuming that the other side is likely to act in a certain way because that is how the US would act under similar circumstances. To say, "if I were a Russian intelligence officer ..." or "if I were running the Indian Government ..." is mirror-imaging. Analysts may have to do that when they do not know how the Russian intelligence officer or the Indian Government is really thinking. But mirror-imaging leads to dangerous assumptions, because people in other cultures do not think the way we do. The frequent assumption that they do is what Adm. David Jeremiah, after reviewing the Intelligence Community failure to predict India's nuclear weapons testing, termed the "everybody-thinks-like-us mind-set."69

Failure to understand that others perceive their national interests differently from the way we perceive those interests is a constant source of problems in intelligence analysis. In 1977, for example, the Intelligence Community was faced with evidence of what appeared to be a South African nuclear weapons test site. Many in the Intelligence Community, especially those least knowledgeable about South Africa, tended to dismiss this evidence on the grounds that "Pretoria would not want a nuclear weapon, because there is no enemy they could effectively use it on."70 The US perspective on what is in another country's national interest is usually irrelevant in intelligence analysis. Judgment must be based on how the other country perceives its national interest. If the analyst cannot gain insight into what the other country is thinking, mirror-imaging may be the only alternative, but analysts should never get caught putting much confidence in that kind of judgment.

We have a pretty good idea what military capabilities the Russians have in general (fast rearmament, but not done yet). Specifically on the Ukrainian border they have something like 4 mechanized brigades in the first echelong, and maybe another 6 mech brigades in the second echelong, 100 km back from the border. On top of this there should be a battalion of airborne guys (with their helos, including attack helos), and lots of Spetsnaz (special forces) running around, the latter very likely already inside the Ukraine. All units should be in full combat readiness, and at a peak level of training: a mix of professional soldiers and conscripts at the tail end of their service time. This is a very sizeable force!

However, while we have a good idea of the Russian capabilities, we have no idea what's happening inside Putin's head. I'm not sure what it's worth after all the caveats above, but I've been feeling much more worried in the last few days, nonetheless. So better buckle down folks.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Wed Apr 2nd, 2014 at 08:33:02 PM EST
Well said. The reality is that this is very much (in military terms) the Russian sphere of influence. If they want to put boots on the ground, they can do so very easily.

I think the positive point of view is that unlike Crimea (which had a host of geo-political and cultural significances for Russia and Putin) the rest of Ukraine is more valuable to Russia and Putin as a buffer state than as part of Russia.

As part of Russia there would be:

  • ongoing protests, which might actually strengthen other anti-Putin protest groups across Russia.

  • an extra financial drain - Ukraine is broken, if it's part of Russia, then it starts costing Russia money.

  • A direct border with the EU. Not so positive if you're playing military chess games and not so positive regarding trade, smuggling etc.

And balancing that, there's just not that much positive right now. By taking Crimea, Putin has a PR victory, Russia regains both it's culturally significant sites and it's Florida - and they keep the naval base.

The rest of Ukraine just isn't as strategically or culturally significant. That is not to say that Russia has no desire to take it over - I'm sure there remains some historical yearning - but there isn't the hurry there was over Crimea.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Apr 3rd, 2014 at 04:58:59 AM EST
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culturally significant

Odessa?

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Apr 3rd, 2014 at 05:31:10 AM EST
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Specifically on the Ukrainian border they have something like 4 mechanized brigades in the first echelong, and maybe another 6 mech brigades in the second echelong, 100 km back from the border. On top of this there should be a battalion of airborne guys (with their helos, including attack helos), and lots of Spetsnaz (special forces) running around, the latter very likely already inside the Ukraine. All units should be in full combat readiness, and at a peak level of training: a mix of professional soldiers and conscripts at the tail end of their service time. This is a very sizeable force!
They reportedly have also been setting up supply lines. Therefore one might expect them to be ready for a Blitzkrieg-like incursion. But they don't need to do that necessarily.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 3rd, 2014 at 05:59:24 AM EST
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Yes, and field hospitals and stuff. The second echelong supposedly has a higher fraction of support units than the first echelong. The job of the first echelong is to surge forward, identify the weak spots in the enemy line, break through, push on, probably avoiding cities, and link up with the airborne units. The second echelong follows and eliminates the bypassed and surrounded enemy units, mopping up, and occupies the cities.

If the Russians push the button, we will probably see a classical performance of blitzkrieg, which actually is a Russian invention (or at least pretty much - it's a but complicated) - before Stalin murdered all the officers.

Anyway, Deep Battle with Operational Maneuver Groups, here we go.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Thu Apr 3rd, 2014 at 08:47:37 AM EST
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Does this count as mirror-imaging?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Apr 3rd, 2014 at 09:18:41 AM EST
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Hopefully not, as it's less based on what we would do, and more on Russian Cold War standard operating procedure.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Thu Apr 3rd, 2014 at 11:06:36 AM EST
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Starvid:
blitzkrieg, which actually is a Russian invention (or at least pretty much - it's a but complicated)

Oh? According to De Gaulle, he invented blitzkrieg, which was adopted by the Germans... and not by the French. Specifically, the use of armoured divisions as a strike force with integrated air and infantry support.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Thu Apr 3rd, 2014 at 11:28:15 AM EST
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Well... de Gaulle would say that, wouldn't he? He was, after all, de Gaulle! ;)

Really, you can go back to JC Fuller as well and say that the British invented it, or you can ask "what is Blitzkrieg, really?" And you'll see that it is not at all that clear-cut, that the Germans themselves did not have a formalized Blitzkrieg doctrine, and that there actually were considerable differences between the Soviet Deep Battle, and what in practice became the German Blitzkrieg, and so on.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Thu Apr 3rd, 2014 at 11:35:27 AM EST
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