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I don't know to what extent Ukraine was ever really a state.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 02:35:13 AM EST
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In what sense?

Post-soviet pre euromaidan I think there clearly was an entity acting with state powers from the government buildings in Kiev.

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 03:11:15 AM EST
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A state-like entity that was quasi-bankrupt, corrupt to the gills, and totally dependent on Russia. More, modern Ukraine was constructed, industrially and economically, as a part of Russia. Hence the gas pipeline tension, that Russia handled with transfusions of slush and low gas prices.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 03:17:15 AM EST
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is undeniable.

everywhere you walk, there is a gas pipe, and you know where is the source.

i think they are nuts in Lvov to think Berlin and Brussels will actually help them more than Moscow has done, but hey, what do I know?

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by r------ on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 08:03:11 AM EST
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Ukraine was a state in the same sense as a 2007 house flipper was a flattered real estate investor. Ukraine did not realize what it takes to be a state, and both Russia and the West were happy to keep it credulous. Ukraine was nominally the second most important USSR republic, but already perestroika (not to mention Chernobyl) showed that Ukraine is kept for a joke.
by das monde on Wed May 7th, 2014 at 03:40:24 AM EST
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