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18 months and there is no work (none / 1)

in France. If I want to work, I need to leave France, which I indeed do, lately in North America, I will let you imagine the carbon footprint of that.

And as your article rightfully points out, the reactionary policies which cause this to be the case are being pursued by the PS.

And as a sentient person, you think I should ignore that fact but remember what MLP's dad represented and assume she will be the same?

You do see the inconsistencies here?

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Sun Jun 1st, 2014 at 03:54:28 PM EST
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Re: 18 months and there is no work (none / 1)

You do realise that Jean-Marie is still an MEP?

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Sun Jun 1st, 2014 at 04:13:57 PM EST
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Re: 18 months and there is no work (none / 0)

And Bruno Gollnisch.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jun 1st, 2014 at 04:20:41 PM EST
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And you two do know that Manuel Valls (none / 1)

is PM and François Hollande is President.

What is your alternative?

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Sun Jun 1st, 2014 at 04:46:43 PM EST
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Re: And you two do know that Manuel Valls (none / 0)

Pretty obviously, not Le Pen or Gollnisch.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2014 at 02:42:02 PM EST
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Telling dodge. (none / 0)

We know what your viable alternative is not.

But what is your viable alternative?

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Mon Jun 2nd, 2014 at 02:56:11 PM EST
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Re: Telling dodge. (none / 0)

If you consider a nationalist-xenophobe party that has consistently made racism part of its subjacent but apparent-to-all appeal as a "viable alternative", then I don't think we have anything more to say to each other.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jun 3rd, 2014 at 01:45:06 AM EST
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Well then I think you have finally (none / 0)

answered my question.

And you are right. We have nothing to say to each other, just as you have nothing to offer to real people living in France.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Tue Jun 3rd, 2014 at 01:48:16 AM EST
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Re: Well then I think you have finally (none / 1)

Well what's your offer?

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Jun 3rd, 2014 at 11:55:47 AM EST
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Euro exit by any mean possible. (none / 0)

Good not just for France but for all of Europe.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Tue Jun 3rd, 2014 at 10:27:22 PM EST
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Re: Telling dodge. (none / 0)

And today's headline in The Ironic Times: France Determined to Become the United States.

by rifek on Mon Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:08:26 PM EST
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Re: 18 months and there is no work (4.00 / 2)

Because there is unemployment and the PS is applying reactionary policies, that's a reason to support the extreme right? I don't see much consistency there.

You'll get no help from the Front National. Marine is creating an illusion.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jun 1st, 2014 at 04:20:02 PM EST
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I'll get no help from the PS or the UMP. (none / 0)

But if she were to pull France out of the Euro, that would be help enough. Because I am not about to learn German.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Sun Jun 1st, 2014 at 04:42:28 PM EST
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Re: I'll get no help from the PS or the UMP. (4.00 / 2)

Because obviously France has a whole lot of nothing to the left of the PS.

Now, I'm not as scared as some on the left of working with ugly parties against neoliberals. But there is a difference between working with ugly parties after an election and empowering them during one.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Jun 1st, 2014 at 05:03:21 PM EST
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Surely you know there are parties (none / 0)

to the left of the PS in France.

Show me one though with anything approaching a brain regarding the Euro and the EU, and I will get behind them.

Hint...there simply is no one credible who fits that bill.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Sun Jun 1st, 2014 at 05:07:13 PM EST
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Re: Surely you know there are parties (4.00 / 2)

So, how does that make the FN credible?

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Sun Jun 1st, 2014 at 05:34:59 PM EST
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I think their threat to pull out of the Euro (none / 1)

Is very credible.

No one on the left is saying this outside of academia.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Sun Jun 1st, 2014 at 05:57:16 PM EST
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Re: I think their threat to pull out of the Euro (none / 0)

Nice wordplay, but this doesn't make them and their programme credible or one with anything approaching a brain.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Jun 3rd, 2014 at 01:41:43 AM EST
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how do you figure? (none / 0)

If France really pulls out of the Euro, this would be a big deal.

You are saying this is impossible?

And I guarantee you friend, I do have a brain.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Tue Jun 3rd, 2014 at 01:50:25 AM EST
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Re: how do you figure? (4.00 / 2)

Well, then show it. What I see is an angry man trying to get back at and troll the PS in the wrong place. I suggest you go looking for the "social democratic types" at Le Monde or a similar place.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Jun 3rd, 2014 at 12:02:43 PM EST
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Re: Surely you know there are parties (none / 1)

So you support somebody who isn't credible.

Syriza was "not credible" as late as the spring of 2010.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2014 at 12:32:40 PM EST
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Re: Surely you know there are parties (none / 1)

Excellent non-argument for legitimising nationalist xenophobes.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2014 at 02:41:17 PM EST
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And very arguably Syriza only becomes (none / 0)

credible once the Troika are at Greece's throat. And by then, the mortality rate is already rising, much less civil liberties and social gains being gutted.

In other words, this should not be acceptable.

Keep in mind the apt phrase "the hun is at your throat or at your feet."

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Mon Jun 2nd, 2014 at 02:55:08 PM EST
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Re: And very arguably Syriza only becomes (4.00 / 4)

There is value in keeping the Unserious left-wing option alive even if it only becomes credible once mortality starts rising and the hospitals start closing and the lights start going out.

Because the alternative to keeping the Unserious left-wing alternative alive is that the only parties left standing after the Very Serious People drive the country into a ditch are the far-right militias.

It's not particularly rewarding work, but it's important.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Jun 2nd, 2014 at 03:19:31 PM EST
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Re: I'll get no help from the PS or the UMP. (none / 0)

JakeS:

I'm not as scared as some on the left of working with ugly parties against neoliberals.

That's my reluctant feeling about Grillo and Farage. All the worry is about Farage contaminating Grillo, but there's not much talk about the possible good influence from the MV5. Farage is for nuke power, and I know the MV5 will never go for that.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Jun 1st, 2014 at 05:50:43 PM EST
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Re: I'll get no help from the PS or the UMP. (none / 0)

Nukes are national policy anyways, and if Brussels want to wrench that policy choice away from us, they'll have to take it from our cold dead hands.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Sun Jun 1st, 2014 at 06:58:26 PM EST
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Re: I'll get no help from the PS or the UMP. (none / 0)

Tell that to Nick Clegg.

by rifek on Mon Jun 23rd, 2014 at 10:10:17 PM EST
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