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It seems there is an impasse, it was front page for a news cycle then was superseded by new arrests for corruption concerning the EXPO in Lombardia.

The Italians' love for soccer and the huge $ involved are working against accountability, sadly. The game is being held hostage by the implicit threat of violence hovering in the air, which would take a massive police presence to control, stripping away any illusions that this is 'just a game', and revealing the true state of affairs, namely that the insertion of fascistic thuggery into football crowds has become a given, and people have to accept that to keep them sweet.

Which won't work, because the root cause is poverty and ignorance, this is just a symptom. Most people abhor violence in this country, but there is a very hard core of young people who feel desperate for attention, and would love to provoke a confrontation in some deluded hope it would confer martyr status on them, and because the mere fact that they had made the news is a huge ego-boost. Going unpunished will encourage them further, now they have tasted the impunity not addressing the issue has given them. Now they feel even more empowered, and the social conditions keep worsening meanwhile, spurring more to feel they have nothing to lose, and who crave some feeling of safety from joining a group that reflects their addled philosophy and hopeless rage, indeed organises it into a military model, where lack of empathy and a repressed macho will-to-relevance are psychological features, not bugs.

Italy is coming apart at the seams, and I fear for the many immigrants, especially the African ones who are so hungry they will work for E3 an hour, which then puts Italians out of work, adding the the testosterone-fueled resentment and bitterness exemplified by Genny 'la Carogna' and his many followers.

Mussolini would be proud!

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu May 8th, 2014 at 07:19:50 PM EST
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Genny, 'the corpse', doesn't really qualify as a 'youth'. What is his age? I would guess 35+. I have been told that many Italians don't really think men are of much use until they are at least in their 30s. But that would pretty much have to be the view of the better off segment of the population.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri May 9th, 2014 at 11:33:50 AM EST
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No he's not young, but most of his followers are, and they look up to him.

ARGeezer:

many Italians don't really think men are of much use until they are at least in their 30s. But that would pretty much have to be the view of the better off segment of the population.

I am not aware of this, unless being 'if much use' means moving out of mamma's orbit and doing your own laundry. ;)

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri May 9th, 2014 at 05:57:50 PM EST
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The observation may well have been of Italians in the '50s. But, if The Corpse is the son of a leader in the Camorra, it would be unlikely that he would be used for much other than breaking heads or knees or carrying out specific directions, if he could, until he was around 30. Leader of a neo-fascist band of thuggish soccer fans might be a suitable role for him at his age. It might have its uses. But I would suspect that many senior figures would not be too pleased with how high a profile he has gotten.


"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri May 9th, 2014 at 06:25:57 PM EST
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Senior figures in the mob, or political personages? As for the 50's, it seems like a lot of Italy wouldn't mind turning back to those times. People are very conservative at heart here, in love with their traditions, and conscious of the Vatican breathing down their necks, so pretty averse to change.

When you see a group of neofascists congregate, about a quarter are in their forties or older, but the great majority are in their early to mid twenties, being led by the older ones who organise them, as I mentioned upthread.

I know that many here at ET are devout sports fans so I want to go easy here, but the culture of rooting for team, and the adrenalin rush of being in huge crowds with permission to act out (it's just love, you know, so what can be wrong with that?), screaming, dressing up and jumping up and down like kids, well that provides the perfect cover for neofascism to infiltrate and recruit, taking advantage of the dire economy and general aimlessness of so many young people whose energies have no channel, and whose future seems pre-shrunk from any dreams. This leads to massive frustration (historically bled off in regular warring) which has nowhere to go in times of prolonged peace.

I have no facts on this, but I suspect that the fascist ideology does not come from being over-mothered, (which does lead to emotional codependency and narcissism), but rather from having very little happiness in their childhoods leading to a very bleak outlook in general. This couple with the wildness of youth is what makes them so vulnerable.

The political establishment has been briefly embarrassed by this one event, (as it has in the past) but I get the feeling no-one wants to grab those bull-horns, especially when all are in election mode right now.

The old school mob would mostly keep a lower profile, and if that's what you mean, I agree. The mob factor is obviously very important in his upbringing, being the milieu of street culture, to the unemployed in the slums, the mob offers instant employment and a chance at the brass ring of wealth and notoriety.

This is more about the horrible marriage of sports and fascism than the mob, though they all intersect. The psychology of the mafia and how it is woven into culture here is very opaque, and I still struggle to fathom its complexity. Its entanglement with politics does go right to the top, that much is clear by now, probably it is fingering the pie of the enormous amounts of cash in the sports world. That's about money purely though.

What's going on in a young neo-fascists head is a deep love of violence for the sake of it, and a nigh-complete disaffection with the present socio-economic set up. A willingness to be the beast no-one hopes you'll be, (except your fellow militants!) is the current that is most worrying.

....And lots of tattoos.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat May 10th, 2014 at 06:44:32 AM EST
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I was referring to senior mob figures, his father being in jail.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat May 10th, 2014 at 11:36:00 AM EST
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Actually he's not. He was interviewed in the street the day after the incident. He mentioned how he had done time, but it was a frame-up according to him.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat May 10th, 2014 at 01:25:05 PM EST
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Was he proud of his son?

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat May 10th, 2014 at 10:44:24 PM EST
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It was a short interview and he used most of it up decrying the cops and saying he was just a normal guy with no links to the mob, not any mention of his son that I recall.
There were many street interviews with supporters of the son, who see him as a hero, and said to a man that were it not for him controlling his acolytes there would have been a mass fight on the pitch, ergo we should all be thanking him. It was quite obvious they were elated by how much attention they were getting, how they mattered somehow.

Clannish, he was their guy...

Then one of them decided the reporter was not ok and rushed him, leaving him with a black eye. All filmed, and the reporter and crew beat a hasty retreat.

They own whole quarters of Naples's slums.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun May 11th, 2014 at 05:08:24 AM EST
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"Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence: in other words it is war minus the shooting."

George Orwell, The Sporting Spirit

http://orwell.ru/library/articles/spirit/english/e_spirit

I tend to think that the emotional collectivism of sport is rather a more harmless substitute for darker, more dangerous emotional mass movements.

But with Orwell in you corner you are in good company with your opinion.

by IM on Sat May 10th, 2014 at 12:06:15 PM EST
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IM:
I tend to think that the emotional collectivism of sport is rather a more harmless substitute for darker, more dangerous emotional mass movements.

Well this is an often-made point, and hard to refute. British friends have told me that if Soccer were banned there would be mass violence in the streets immediately, and I think I believe him, having once been attacked by a group of soccer fans on the Fulham road many years ago coming out after a game. You learned to cross the road smartish and keep your head down.

I don't think it should be banned, it as its best a beautiful game, but security needs enormous upgrades here, and serial offenders need to be permanently removed from the scenario.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat May 10th, 2014 at 01:30:02 PM EST
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To synthesise what i over-wordily said in the last comment, the mafia is parasitic, so a good economy is good for them, more to siphon off.

The neofascists partly (mostly?) thrive on economic misery, the sheer degradation of their homes and neighbourhoods, the anomie and restlessness, the desire to use violence to overtly affirm their alpha status and cut through the Gordian knot of their social stasis. 'La Carogna' is a prime example of this. In other word I think his ULTRAness has supplanted his mob roots, formative to a life of crime though they must have been. To get the media attention for holding up an Italian cup final is probably a headier buzz than just hitting up local business for their 'protection' money or purse-snatching old ladies from a motorbike.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat May 10th, 2014 at 07:39:37 AM EST
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