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Not to restart any balkan discussions but what do you mean by "At least the French and the Brits are capable of taking care of their own diplomatic back yard"?

Because I distinctly remember the French starting with the bombing Libya only to go to the US hat in hand because they were running out of bombs.

But really most western armies are a joke, because the procurement process and military leadership is devoid of any accountability. You can sort of work around it by throwing infinite money at the problem, but still.

by generic on Thu Feb 12th, 2015 at 11:35:05 AM EST
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And, at least in the case of European joke armies, I say und das ist auch gut so.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Feb 12th, 2015 at 11:41:57 AM EST
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until you actually need it.

Leben ist alles, Rose, wenn Sie ein Träumer sind.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Fri Feb 13th, 2015 at 05:07:29 AM EST
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redstar:
Unfortunately, hard power is not an aspect of a flowering society, but at best one nearing the end of its universal state, heading towards decline.


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 13th, 2015 at 03:09:06 PM EST
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But viewed in a manicheistic manner, I can see how they could be taken that way.

Because the northern European vision of society is about something other than decline? Just look at the birth rates.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Sat Feb 14th, 2015 at 05:30:07 AM EST
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backyard. Libya was clearly a mistake, but it wasn't the case that this was due to French bungling of the classic diplomacy/force tandem, because there was no diplomacy to speak of. It was pure US-style power project for sake of power projection, and not even the US has resources for that, as Irak has shown.

I am refering to the area of the world known as Françafrique (using the term by the way means I am not lending my approval to it, just stating it as a fact), and recent interventions include Côte d'Ivoire a couple years ago, or more recently Mali and Centrafrique.

Libya is definitely not in Françafrique. You use of it is a red herring.

Where has Germany succesfully used its diplomatic power to alleviate tensions, and how has it done so?

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Fri Feb 13th, 2015 at 05:05:46 AM EST
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