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I'm not trying to obfuscate the aims of US policy in Ukraine, or to get Obama off the hook. Obama's foreign policy stance is hawkish -- not that this comes as a surprise, since it's the straightforward continuity of US policy since WWII (with a possible blip with Jimmy Carter).

Eh, wasn't Carter the one who started our whole bit of sending weapons to the mujahedeen?  Granted, the bulk of it was under Reagan, but that one kind of bit us in the ass.

Think Obama wins that comparison, if only for hesitancy on this sort of stuff.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Feb 12th, 2015 at 05:15:49 PM EST
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Nah, arming the Mujahedeen worked out wonderfully. They created an insular, semi-stable, armed to the teeth spoiler state right in the middle between Russia, China, Iran, and India. What's not to like?

And it's not like it cost anything in particular until Baby Bush went and put them on the shit list for silly sentimental reasons.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Feb 12th, 2015 at 05:39:02 PM EST
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Say what you will about Obama, but the "Don't do stupid shit" approach -- flawed though they are at adhering to it -- seems to me to work a lot better than the "grand" strategies every dipstick who's held the office in recent history has tried.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Thu Feb 12th, 2015 at 05:47:31 PM EST
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I wasn't too sure about Carter, so I said "possible".

In fact, we're talking about the US deep state stance on world affairs.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 13th, 2015 at 01:27:20 AM EST
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Yeah, I'm with ya.  And I generally like Jimmy.  But in terms of dumb military intervention, I think Obama's been alright and has successfully resisted the deep state stance a bit.  It's more the surveillance state where I think he's been shit, but then I don't really know, since it's the surveillance state and we obviously don't know what the hell they're doing.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Fri Feb 13th, 2015 at 06:30:07 PM EST
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