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And we all wonder why Victoria Nuland is so bellicose? What choice does she have?

She and her buddies, along with the US Government could and should have left Ukraine the fuck alone instead of running their 'color revolutions' and orchestrating the coup that led to Petro Poroschenko. Had Obama wanted to avoid this US fiasco/Ukrainian tragedy he should have reassigned her and her fellow travelers. But no, we had to undermine the Ukraine because Putin is the heir of Stalin. The whole current situation is due to that group's influence and the subsequent refusal by the US to allow a functional degree of autonomy for the Donbas.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Feb 12th, 2015 at 09:25:25 PM EST
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I think you're ascribing way too much agency to the US in this conflict, just as others ascribe way too much agency to Putin. Sure, colour revolution, yadda yadda yadda; but once Pandora's box is opened, nobody can predict how it turns out, and nobody's micro-managing either side, as far as I can see.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Fri Feb 13th, 2015 at 03:34:45 AM EST
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Perhaps, and perhaps others, such as yourself, are ascribing too little. It was certainly no Iraq, but Nuland, Pyatt and others certainly felt they had accomplished something great, pulling Ukraine away from Russia, and through the agency first of the Orange Revolution, and then of the protests that led to the downfall of the recently elected government of Yanukovich. The US was fishing in troubled waters, organizing, financing and facilitating what came to pass: "Bringing Democracy to Ukraine." A match struck in just the right/wrong circumstances can set a prairie on fire, as I found out at age six. They are not six year olds.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Feb 13th, 2015 at 08:10:37 AM EST
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