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"an increase in the powers (and Europe wide accountability) of EU institutions, and an increase it fiscal transfers and solidarity with less successful regions."

Fortunately this "benevolent" despotism (power grab by independent commission for competency/budget (ECB style) using divide & conquer (EU Parliament)) is never going to happen, democracy is still more precious than Euro or EU.

EU is dying but Europe will be fine, back to pre-maastrich.

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Wed Feb 11th, 2015 at 08:34:12 AM EST
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divide & conquer (EU Parliament)

What are you smoking? And when will you call for an uprising against the "benevolent despotism" of Paris when it executes fiscal transfers to Normandy or Corsica?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Feb 12th, 2015 at 04:00:00 AM EST
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I wasn't aware.

But I for one am totally in favour of an uprising against the benevolent bobocracy of Paris, wherever that may take place, though as for Corsica my own preference would be to be rid of it (and we tried to go in that direction with a referendum about ten years ago...unsurprisingly when given the chance at more autonomy they voted NO...they know who butters their bread).

This being said, not sure what you need to be smoking to think the EU Parliament in Strasbourg is just powerless democratic window dressing which is used as cover for where the EU power grab, such as it has been attempted, has actually taken place (in Brussels and Frankfurt). A democratic smoke screen but no one except Daniel Con-Bandit is fooled.

In any event, I don't think fredouil is saying he is against these fiscal transfers so much as he is inveighing against the cruel joke which is the EU at present viz. democratic institutions in the EU and proper fiscal and monetary policy in the face of a financial deleveraging environment. I'm wondering why you are referencing fiscal transfers in the French context when in the EU context these have been, and quite by design (the maastricht reference is apt here), pathetic.

And given the current and near future political context in Berlin, London and nearly every other capital in the Northern parts of the Union, they will remain pathetic.

You don't need to be smoking anything to not only wish for the EU's demise, but also to be cautiously optimistic that the day may soon be coming.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill

by r------ on Thu Feb 12th, 2015 at 04:52:33 AM EST
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This being said, not sure what you need to be smoking to think

...something completely different from what fredouil said.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Feb 12th, 2015 at 10:54:22 AM EST
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You are aware, I'm sure, that using "con bandit"() instead of Cohn Bendit is a specialty of the far right?

I am not at all pleased to see a lepenist expression making its way through to ET -to which I am associated-, so maybe you'd be courteous enough to avoid it in the future?

Thanks.

(): a dickhead and a thief

by Xavier in Paris on Fri Feb 13th, 2015 at 07:06:33 AM EST
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You may have missed discussions like this one...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Feb 13th, 2015 at 02:32:16 PM EST
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redstar:
Are there fiscal transfers to Normandy?
I wasn't aware.

Quelles sont les différentes ressources des collectivités ? - Les ressources des collectivités locales Découverte des institutions - Repères - vie-publique.fr

Les transferts financiers de l'État en faveur des collectivités territoriales, qui totalisent 101,2 Mds€ en 2014, sont composés de trois parties : les dotations de l'État aux collectivités territoriales (59 Mds) ; les dégrèvements d'impôts locaux et les subventions spécifiques versées par les ministères ; et la fiscalité transférée pour laquelle le législateur détermine une part locale d'assiette.

Transfers from the central state to regions, départements, municipalities totalled €101.2 bn in 2014.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Feb 13th, 2015 at 07:40:01 AM EST
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There are two aspects to this :
a) Perequation : transfers from richer entities to poorer entities (this is especially true at the municipality level)

b) Jacobinism applied to decentralisation. Rather than giving the entities (departments, regions) the right to raise taxes themselves, the government prefers to keep them on the dole.

So it's certainly not true that there are 101 billion euros of net fiscal transfers; but certainly, there is a considerable amount of effective inter-regional transfer going on. Not sure if Normandy is a net beneficiary.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Fri Feb 13th, 2015 at 08:35:36 AM EST
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I would gather it receives something, because the transfers are purely made on a population basis, whereas the taxes are still quite correlated to wealth and production.

Paris and the Ile de France are the clear losers here (but it's a bit complicated, because benefits are counted at the company's headquarters, usually in Paris, and not at the plant level).

And you forget that half the public expenses (so something around 25%GDP) in France are actually pensions and medical bills, which result in a transfer between young and productive people (Paris...) to unemployed, old or sick people (everywhere else).

by Xavier in Paris on Fri Feb 13th, 2015 at 11:10:57 AM EST
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