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Neoconservatism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The term "neoconservative" refers to those who made the ideological journey from the anti-Stalinist left to the camp of American conservatism.[2] Neoconservatives frequently advocate the "assertive" promotion of democracy and promotion of "American national interest" in international affairs including by means of military force.[3][4] The movement had its intellectual roots in the Jewish[5] monthly review magazine Commentary.[6][7] C. Bradley Thompson, a professor at Clemson University, claims that most influential neoconservatives refer explicitly to the theoretical ideas in the philosophy of Leo Strauss (1899-1973).[8]
Nuland might just qualify, given her high post with Cheney and her marriage to Robert Kagan. Otherwise, the neoconservatives are out of office. The career diplomats you mention are bog-standard servants of hawkish US foreign policy (and Herbst is retired and has nothing to do with Obama afaik).
I'm not trying to obfuscate the aims of US policy in Ukraine, or to get Obama off the hook. Obama's foreign policy stance is hawkish -- not that this comes as a surprise, since it's the straightforward continuity of US policy since WWII (with a possible blip with Jimmy Carter). You don't have to be a neocon to advocate opposing and restraining Russia.
I'm not trying to obfuscate the aims of US policy in Ukraine, or to get Obama off the hook. Obama's foreign policy stance is hawkish -- not that this comes as a surprise, since it's the straightforward continuity of US policy since WWII (with a possible blip with Jimmy Carter).
Eh, wasn't Carter the one who started our whole bit of sending weapons to the mujahedeen? Granted, the bulk of it was under Reagan, but that one kind of bit us in the ass.
Think Obama wins that comparison, if only for hesitancy on this sort of stuff. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
And it's not like it cost anything in particular until Baby Bush went and put them on the shit list for silly sentimental reasons.
- Jake Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
In fact, we're talking about the US deep state stance on world affairs.
And, yeah, I wish Marek were still around. Wish we'd had a chance to get together when he was in Northern Virginia in '08. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
As I recall, Marek's argument (when upbraiding me for spraying "neocon" around) was that Cheney and Rumsfeld were mega-hawk conservatives, not neocons in the strict sense. They were however extremely closely associated with neocons under (or over) BushII.
Henry M. Jackson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Influence on neoconservatism Jackson believed that evil should be confronted with power.[20] His support for civil rights and equality at home,[13] married to his opposition to détente,[20] his support for human rights[22] and democratic allies,[23] and his firm belief that the United States could be a force for good in the world[24] inspired a legion of loyal aides who went on to propound Jackson's philosophy as part of neoconservatism. In addition to Richard Perle, neoconservatives Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Abrams, Charles Horner, and Douglas Feith were former Democratic aides to Jackson who, disillusioned with the Carter administration, supported Ronald Reagan and joined his administration in 1981, later becoming prominent foreign policy makers in the 21st-century Bush administration. Neoconservative Ben Wattenberg was a prominent political aide to Jackson's 1972 and 1976 presidential campaigns. Wolfowitz has called himself a "Scoop Jackson Republican" on multiple occasions.[22][25] Many journalists and scholars across the political spectrum have noted links between Senator Jackson and modern neoconservatism.[1][20][23][26][27][28][29][30][31][32]
Jackson believed that evil should be confronted with power.[20] His support for civil rights and equality at home,[13] married to his opposition to détente,[20] his support for human rights[22] and democratic allies,[23] and his firm belief that the United States could be a force for good in the world[24] inspired a legion of loyal aides who went on to propound Jackson's philosophy as part of neoconservatism. In addition to Richard Perle, neoconservatives Paul Wolfowitz, Elliott Abrams, Charles Horner, and Douglas Feith were former Democratic aides to Jackson who, disillusioned with the Carter administration, supported Ronald Reagan and joined his administration in 1981, later becoming prominent foreign policy makers in the 21st-century Bush administration. Neoconservative Ben Wattenberg was a prominent political aide to Jackson's 1972 and 1976 presidential campaigns. Wolfowitz has called himself a "Scoop Jackson Republican" on multiple occasions.[22][25] Many journalists and scholars across the political spectrum have noted links between Senator Jackson and modern neoconservatism.[1][20][23][26][27][28][29][30][31][32]
So a whole bunch of neocons, Perle included, cut their political teeth with Jackson, before shifting to Reagan Republicanism. Cheney and Rumsfeld didn't follow that trajectory, but when they hit the big-power spot in the early '00s they surrounded themselves with, and empowered, neocons, to the extent that they are often considered to be neocons (though, if you consider the list of values attributed above to Jackson and his aides, Cheney and Rumsfeld obviously don't fit).
I don't get what the economics people you go on to mention have to do with it. No one has ever called them neocons, more likely neolibs.
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