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A divorce where the vast majority of Greeks want to remain in the Eurozone. Strange.

And while I don't think it's relevant to point out that Greece has been in default for like half the time during the last 200 years, it is relevant that Greece cheated to get into the Eurozone, and hasn't implemented the reforms it promised to implement (no matter if the reforms were good or bad).

My point is that this creates a lack of trust. People don't trust Athens. Maybe we should trust Athens because the new guys are fundamentally different from the old ones? I argue that we should. But the Eurogroup apparently wants the new government to earn its trust.

Fine. I expect Syriza to be serious about structural reform, just as I expect Syriza to do anything it can to get a fiscal breathing space. Both are good and important things. And as long as the Eurogroup sees Syriza is serious, trust might return.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Mon Feb 23rd, 2015 at 10:30:52 AM EST
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and hasn't implemented the reforms it promised to implement

The OECD disagrees.

by generic on Mon Feb 23rd, 2015 at 10:38:34 AM EST
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If all the reforms have been completed during these five years, how come Syriza is still talking about all the strucutural reforms that remain, including absolutely basic things such as tax evasion?

I'm not talking about fiscal "reforms" here, i.e. austerity, but real structural reforms.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Mon Feb 23rd, 2015 at 03:52:44 PM EST
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What makes you think that EPP and ALDE are at all in favor, or even tolerant of, real structural reform? They're completely in favor of corruption and tax fraud in every other case.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Feb 23rd, 2015 at 03:58:29 PM EST
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That seems the essence of EPP politics. What they call 'reform' is just changes that make looting easier.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 12:44:13 AM EST
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When Russia will learn to do this... The BRICS alternative banking system is under way.
by das monde on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 02:48:09 AM EST
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Russia has no alternative economic ideology. Meaning every financial system they'll design will suck just as much. There is however something to be said for having two terrible systems instead of just one.
by generic on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 03:28:50 AM EST
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Russia has no alternative economic ideology.

  Really, they do, but it is still under a cloud. Baptize Marx as a Russian Orthodox thinker, downplay Lenin, keep the analysis, implement state driven and regulated planning with private firms and corporations and you have an approach potentially better than anything on offer in the "Free World". Further, there is a large population still alive who are familiar both with the analysis and the corrupt, damaging application during Soviet times.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 09:09:57 AM EST
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Eh, Marx was as much a German thinker as a Russian one and as far as I know is similar popular in the governing circles of both countries.
by generic on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 10:26:50 AM EST
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I though Marx was very popular in Germany.
German soldiers used broomsticks painted black instead of guns during a joint Nato exercise last year due to severe equipment shortages, it has emerged.
You did mean Groucho, didn't you?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 10:31:24 AM EST
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So Marx is popular and an important part of the thinking of the CDU? I don't doubt that Marx is embraced by many in the Russian government, but not, so far as I can see, when it comes to how the Central Bank is run, though. I don't know how much he had to say, if anything, about the role of central banks.

I am partial to the post Marxist economists I have read, such as Nitzan and Bichler's Capital as Power and Varoufakis' Global Minotaur and, back in the '60s I found the writings of 'Marxist' English historians such as Chris Hill on the English Revolution and Civil War and E. H. Carr's classic on international relations, The Twenty Year Crisis 1919-1939, to be the most cogent analyses I found on their respective subjects. More recently I have found Eric Hobswam's works on the long 19th and short 20th centuries, and on our current period quite informative and a pleasure to read. I have never waded through Capital, nor do I consider myself a Marxist, but I do value Marx, especially his social analysis, as a Sociologist.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 11:20:07 AM EST
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I don't doubt that Marx is embraced by many in the Russian government,

Why? What makes you think that?

by generic on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 01:25:13 PM EST
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Just that until 1990 or so most Soviet university graduates were taught Marx. Many didn't like the indoctrination, but there were many for whom it formed the basis of their world view, even while they were highly dissatisfied with the legacy of Lenin and, especially, Stalin. I think it unbalanced to dismiss the idealism that some, not just Gorbachev, displayed, the belief that socialism could be rescued. This view is not popular with conservatives, but I likely could find support in the writings of Stephen F. Cohen, for example.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 01:56:30 PM EST
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Methinks being taught Marx applies to virtually every 45+ economist in post-East-Bloc countries who now advocate neo-liberalism. And by every indication, Russia's economic policy today is a version of neo-liberalism, even if it differs in details from the EU or the US version.

If I may bring my sector as example, while the USA always was private railways owning train and track, and Europe now tries re-privatisation via open access and franchising, Russia embarked in recent years on partial or full IPOs of separated-out company branches, including almost the entire freight transport.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 02:07:00 PM EST
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"Under a cloud", as I said. And there is money to be had via neo-liberal reforms that is irresistable to politicians. But Putin has had to rein in some of these newly created oligarchs, and I doubt that none remain in government that believed there could be a better socialism, let alone in academia.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 03:00:31 PM EST
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Family on Wall Street tell me that Marx was incredibly popular there circa 2007. People were reading him (as if) for the first time.
by Upstate NY on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 02:10:42 PM EST
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Try Varoufakis's (with two coauthors) Modern Political Economics which has a section devoted to Marx's economics, including what he got right and also what he got wrong.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 03:32:39 PM EST
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It has been on my list to buy - when I can find a reasonably priced hard copy.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 04:10:13 PM EST
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The first part deals with how societies functioned in antiquity, before coins and money were developed - temple and palace based records of account, drawing on Thorstein Veblin, Lewis Mumford and Michael Kalecki.  the split of political economics into economics and political science and the consequences. Capital as Power is organized as a comparative history of economic thought going through such topics as the theory of prices, labor theory of value, productivity, what are the factors of production, etc. with a critique of Classical, Neo-Classical and Marxist views emphasizing the limitations of each. None them can really even explain adequately how prices are determined, or where profits are derived, in part because they all leave out the aspect of power. For Nitzan and Bichler, capital is the embodiment of power, the ability to creatively reorder society so as to serve the interests of the capitalists. In more traditional societies this was the role of the kings and/or priests. The book is now available free from the Nitzan Bichler Archives at York University in Canada, though I paid close to $50 for it in 2010.
   

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 07:55:16 PM EST
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 The BRICS alternative banking system is under way.

once again?

Reminds me of:

"Brazil, the country of tomorrow and always will be

by IM on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 06:14:15 AM EST
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It is the alternative payments clearing system, out of the direct control and influence of the US Treasury's economic warfare unit, that is one major benefit. And now trade between Mid East oil suppliers and China, amongst others, doesn't have to be denominated in $US, nor does all trade between participating nations. This has been the case for the BRICS for a while, though, until recently, it was based on bi-lateral agreements.  They now have a choice of payment clearing systems. It is also a possibility for Iran, if they can get beyond 'Athiest Communists'. Washington, London and Frankfort can just go suck rocks. Sanctions are just driving this process ever more rapidly. While Obama talks about a 'pivot to Asia', Russia is doing it. And that is where a large part of the development opportunities in Eurasia for the 21st century lie.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Feb 24th, 2015 at 09:04:19 AM EST
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Real structural erforms? Like labor laws? I know that's LaGarde's favorite thing.

But in Greece right now, with 27% unemployment and 55% for the youth, you have a wild west labor market.

What good are reforms when workers go for weeks and months without pay?

Do you think a  regulation can address that?

What good are reforms when people work overtime hours for part-time pay?

No loosened regulation can address that.

When you have desperate workers, you ave people driven to markets which are not countenanced by any regulation whatsoever. The very idea that looser labor laws will make a difference is a huge fantasy, especially when you consider that it is much harder to fire a German than it is to fire a Greek.

by Upstate NY on Mon Feb 23rd, 2015 at 07:11:19 PM EST
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Did Greece lie?

I think you are laboring under misconceptions.

Read this: http://www.risk.net/risk-magazine/feature/1498135/revealed-goldman-sachs-mega-deal-greece

Equally murky is the exact effect of Goldman Sachs' transactions on Greece's publicly reported national accounts. Since the deficit was a comfortable 1.2% of GDP in 2002, it is more likely that the cashflows were either used to help lower the debt/GDP ratio from 107% in 2001, to 104.9% in 2002 (by funding buybacks) or to lower interest payments from 7.4% in 2001 to 6.4% in 2002. But why did the large negative market value of the swaps not appear on the liability side of Greece's balance sheet?

The answer can be found in ESA95, a 243-page manual on government deficit and debt accounting, published by the European Commission and Eurostat in 2002. As revealed by Piga, the drafting of ESA95's section on derivatives was the subject of fierce arguments between the government statisticians and debt managers of certain eurozone countries.

The statisticians wanted derivatives-related cashflows to be treated as financial transactions, with no effect on deficit or interest costs, and with the derivatives' current market value stated as an asset or liability. The debt managers opposed this, insisting on having the freedom to use derivatives to adjust deficit ratios. The published version of ESA95 reflects the victory of the debt managers in this argument with a series of last-minute amendments.

In particular, ESA95 states in a page-long `clarification' that `streams of interest payments under swaps agreements will continue... having an impact on general government net borrowing/net lending'. In other words, upfront swap payments - which Eurostat classifies as interest - can reduce debt, without the corresponding negative market value of the swap increasing it. According to ESA95, the clarification only covers `currency swaps based on existing liabilities'.

Legitimate transaction

There is no doubt that Goldman Sachs' deal with Greece was a completely legitimate transaction under Eurostat rules. Moreover, both Goldman Sachs and Greece's public debt division are following a path well trodden by other European sovereigns and derivatives dealers. However, like many accounting-driven derivatives transactions, such deals are bound to create discomfort among those who like accounts to reflect economic reality. For example, the Greece-Goldman deal may be of interest to credit rating agency Standard & Poor's, which upgraded Greece's long-term debt from A to A+ in June 2003.

That Greeks "lied" to get into the eurozone is yet another canard poisoning the relations. But it serves the bankers well to say, "We didn't know."

It is doubly odd that the left's ire at Goldman Sachs is used in this case to buffer the position of the banks. Pretty odd that.

by Upstate NY on Mon Feb 23rd, 2015 at 11:30:19 AM EST
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