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I wonder who chooses not to disclose? Roswellians? Lizards? Alpha Centaurians?

Those protesting the system, me thinks.

I just pondered the list and wondered where for example South Africans of Indian descent fits in. The list is such a mix of geography, skin color, culture and language. If they had a cathegory based on religion (for example jewish or muslem) I think they would have covered all the big bases of dividing people into 'races'.

by fjallstrom on Tue Jun 16th, 2015 at 03:12:55 AM EST
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If you don't disclose you get treated as "white" for all intents and purposes, since the point of this data gathering is affirmative-action programs.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 16th, 2015 at 04:17:06 AM EST
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South Africans of Indian descent? Heck, Indians of Indian descent are often in the category 5b
* Asian (Not Hispanic or Latino)
  * (but not the ones you're thinking of)

This is such a pre-9/11 legacy list, since the list tends to imply that Arabs are "White", unless they are like my wife's Algerian friend and are North African Arabs, in which case if he becomes an American, he would literally be African-American, but category 3b,
* Black or African-American (Not Hispanic or Latino)
  * (that's or, not and, and not the ones you're thinking of)


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Tue Jun 16th, 2015 at 09:39:12 AM EST
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And then what about Ethiopians? I heard of several Ethiopian university students who emphatically protested being lumped together with sub-Saharan Africans under "blacks" in spite of skin colour and shared continent (focusing on the Semitic language family and early Christian heritage).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jun 16th, 2015 at 03:54:56 PM EST
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Similar to "northern" Sudanese ... the list itself is a mess because the US is a Common Law country with Legislated acts pasted on top, so there is a series of laws and then judicial rulings on what the laws mean that result in that hodge podge, and so it in part picks up groups that have a large enough representation in the US to have been the source of plaintiffs in successful civil rights lawsuits.

Or, IOW, if an "Ethiopian American" wants to maximize their change at academic assistance, they should tick the "African American or Black" box and under the breath mutter, "by which I mean American with ancestry from a country located in Africa".

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Jun 19th, 2015 at 02:26:07 AM EST
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Looking at the examples above, it may be a good thing that ethnic statistics are not used in France (even though this ban is a controversy in itself), especially for the growing number of people of mixed ethnicity/national origin.
by Bernard (bernard) on Sun Jun 21st, 2015 at 12:25:23 PM EST
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It's like in prison.  There's the white gang, the black gang, and the hispanic gang.  If you don't fit, you self-identify.  But you have to join.
by rifek on Mon Jun 22nd, 2015 at 10:20:09 AM EST
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In US prisons, you mean? Gangs in France are not ethnic based but more like neighborhood based; same for rappers.
by Bernard (bernard) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2015 at 02:08:19 PM EST
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Yes, US prisons.
by rifek on Tue Jun 23rd, 2015 at 03:29:11 PM EST
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