The 2nd Migrant Wave to Germany | 265 comments (265 topical, editorial, 2 hidden)

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Summary of today's developments : France and the UK have apparently decided that getting serious about the refugee wave means attacking its causes.

And have leapt to the following rather dispiriting conclusion : to encourage Syrians to stay at home, it is urgent to ... bomb Syria.

_{It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue
- Queen Elizabeth II}

by eurogreen on Mon Sep 7th, 2015 at 11:28:48 AM EST

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France considers Isis strikes as Hollande calls for engagement on refugee crisis | World news | The Guardian

France will begin reconnaissance flights over Syria with a view to carrying out airstrikes against Islamic State, President François Hollande has said.
He blamed the group for the refugee crisis in Europe as well as a number of terrorist attacks carried out in France and other countries. However, the French leader ruled out sending ground troops to Syria and said nothing should be done that could strengthen the country's leader, Bashar al-Assad, or help him remain in power. "In the end, Assad must go," Hollande said.

So there is no strategy for any definite outcome, much less commitment (which would need ground troops). In other words, he still believes that real problems can be combated with PR (even if deadly PR).

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Mon Sep 7th, 2015 at 01:00:47 PM EST
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... thats nuts. I mean, stopping the refugee flow by killing the people causing it is perfectly reasonable logic-of-force, but adding on "And no ground troops" to that plan.. Not so much.

by Thomas on Mon Sep 7th, 2015 at 02:42:00 PM EST
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But there are ground troops helping Assad against IS. It's just that they are Russian ones.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Mon Sep 7th, 2015 at 04:17:26 PM EST
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Isn't that yet a rumor?

by IM on Tue Sep 8th, 2015 at 04:30:37 PM EST
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More than rumours. The most compelling evidence is similar to the initial evidence for presence in the Ukraine: social media postings by soldiers. According to Spiegel, there is a plan.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Sep 8th, 2015 at 04:51:35 PM EST
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I'm informed, on Twitter, by a Siberian late of this parish, that most of the refugees aren't Syrian at all, with the subtext that this is all building a pretext to attack Assad. He had this information from the TV news, and it reads to me as an attempt to minimise the effects of the Syrian conflict.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Sep 9th, 2015 at 06:47:04 AM EST
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One effect of the special treatment of Syrian refugees was a black market for stolen or fake Syrian documents, and another that some non-Syrian refugees throw their papers away to claim being Syrians without papers. This was used by the official and non-official xenophobes not just in Hungary to put the refugees under general suspicion of being fake Syrians. Maybe that's what led to the TV news referenced by the Twitter post you saw.

A similar line of "reasoning" (one also echoed by the bishop of the border region in Hungary in his negative reaction to the Pope) claims that refugees cease to be refugees and become economic migrants when they leave Turkey.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Thu Sep 10th, 2015 at 06:40:55 AM EST
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Reported in the SZ.

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Sep 9th, 2015 at 06:57:37 AM EST
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Guardian:

However, the French leader ruled out sending ground troops to Syria and said nothing should be done that could strengthen the country's leader, Bashar al-Assad, or help him remain in power. "In the end, Assad must go," Hollande said.

"In the end, the war must go on"

And the war, not IS or Assad or Al Nusra or alleged moderates or kurdish militias, is what most people are fleeing. In general, it is when a side advances that people - who were living on the land where the advance is going on - flee, so more should right now be fleeing the Assad government then IS. To stop the war either one side needs to win or there needs to be peace conferences with all involved parties in Syria. To get to a peace conference the backers in US, Russia, Turkey and Saudi arabia needs to agree on a need for peace.

by fjallstrom on Tue Sep 8th, 2015 at 03:58:37 AM EST
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