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This morning at 9 o'clock Budapest Keleti was closed off entirely (meaning no trains arrived or left). No meaningful explanation was given.

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by DoDo on Tue Sep 1st, 2015 at 04:39:15 AM EST
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The international press think they have a pretty good idea...

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 1st, 2015 at 05:04:40 AM EST
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By "no meaningful" I meant that the railway issued a press release justifying the closure with police action, while police pushed people out of the station pointing to the closure ordered by the railway...

Indeed it seems the refugees were allowed to leave only for a day (new back-room agreement with Austria and/or Germany?). Now the station reopened, with heavy checks at the entrance, and refugees (and people thought to look like refugees...) are kept out. Especially cruel: until the morning a lot of refugees bought train tickets for big bucks, and now can't use those.

Meanwhile, the Hungarian government continues its hate campaign. One Fidesz leader suggested that the refugees bring Islamic State to Europe (yeah right, formal logic died another death: refugees from the IS bring the IS...)

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by DoDo on Tue Sep 1st, 2015 at 06:17:36 AM EST
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Are there similar controls at Kelenföld?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Tue Sep 1st, 2015 at 06:25:58 AM EST
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I haven't read of such controls, nor of a 'transit zone' there, and I haven't seen any refugees there when I boarded a train there two weeks ago. I suspect the reason is that few refugees arriving from the south or east realised that they can change trains there and got off only at the thre terminal stations (there are refugee 'transit zones' at the Budapest Nyugati and Déli, too).

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by DoDo on Tue Sep 1st, 2015 at 06:39:23 AM EST
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While police declared that no refugees will be allowed to board the trains again, part of the stranded refugees staged a sitting strike. Here are some of their chants, translated by Arab-speakers for Index.hu:

  • Let us leave!
  • We have no problem with Hungarians, we just want to leave!
  • Greetings to the Hungarians!
  • Return our money! [meaning the price of the train tickets they weren't allowed to use]

And in English:

  • Freedom, freedom!
  • UN, help us!

This reminds me of a bizarre aspect of the closing of the station in the morning: the loudspeakers announced the closure in Hungarian only. This although announcements are trilingual (also in English and German) by default, and they found an Arab-speaker yesterday when the refugees were allowed to board.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Sep 1st, 2015 at 03:45:37 PM EST
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A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 04:36:17 AM EST
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He told that during a joint press conference with Martin Schulz in the EP building. It sounds like a justification for yesterday's attempt to cart off the refugees "for registration" by force, which is strange because that attempt was aborted late in the night. Of course, he didn't explain why not much was done in the weeks prior, then why people were allowed to leave on Monday, then why all they did on Tuesday was to filter out the refugees, and finally why yesterday's forced removal was aborted.

As for today, the refugees stormed a train, resulting in the suspension of all international trains to and from the West. And the bizarre incompetence continues: the station speaker only announced the suspensions in Hungarian and no one informs the refugees (actually, not even the policemen: journalists report they have no clue what's planned either).

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 04:53:57 AM EST
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A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 04:41:21 AM EST
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So does this just shift all the problems to Györ?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 04:53:37 AM EST
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No, all international trains stop at Hegyeshalom, and the refugees don't even know about that possibility of changing trains. (There is utter chaos, the refugees first stormed a number of international trains going in all directions, including even one for Serbia, until someone told them that that's where they came from.)

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 04:58:46 AM EST
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Now the chaos is increasing. A domestic train for border city Sopron was allowed to depart after police removed refugees from only one of the cars. Meanwhile, domestic trains passing through Győr are checked, too.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 05:46:07 AM EST
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Here is a picture of the stormed train:



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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 04:55:34 AM EST
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And here is another picture. Oh the irony!

by Katrin on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 06:41:56 AM EST
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And the chaos is just getting bigger. The train to Sopron was stopped at Bicske, place of the biggest migrant camp, and police got most of the refugees off the train. But the refugees then refused to be taken to the camp. After a standoff in the underpass, now the refugees are boarding the train, again.

Whatever police, the railway and the government are doing, it is total utter chaos, there is no sign of any central decision-making or foresight. Quite fitting for the Fidesz government, for which exercising power is above all about communication: they hoped to get votes with xenophobia but didn't think there would be need for actual actions and planning. But the ugly thing is: Fidesz voters (not to mention Jobbik voters) will still blame the refugees.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 07:42:03 AM EST
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by Katrin on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 07:48:13 AM EST
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This was a single family, and reports of what really happened are confused: apparently, they wanted to leave the station, and some say the husband tried to protect his wife and child when cornered and they feared they will be separated. They were taken away (and separated) like this:

Meanwhile, at Keleti, police again filters passengers boarding the next train, apparently recognising that the fooling of the refugees didn't work.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 08:00:44 AM EST
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HVG reports that according to civilian interpreters hired by police, in the morning the policemen had them tell the refugees that the trains are leaving for Germany. If so, the stop at Bicske was the goal of everything that happened earlier today, and it was really a pre-planned trick of the dirtiest kind.

There is a second train full of refugees that left Keleti but didn't arrive in Bicske yet; I wonder what will happen there. (The news of what happened with the first train surely reached them.)

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 08:13:52 AM EST
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Hah, I'm not up to date any more. Said second train already passed Bicske. On-board the train, police separated the c. 100 refugees and the others, but no one knows what's planned.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 08:18:00 AM EST
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You can check trains on the map here. The second refugee train (which is between Tatabánya and Komárom) is #9304, the first on the other hand is not shown, indicating that the railway already terminated its path.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 08:24:54 AM EST
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Refugees on the second train looking out from the window, at an anti-immigrant government placard:

(The stock photo girl on the placard says: "We don't want illegal immigrants!" The half-covered slogan further down: "The Hungarian reforms are WORKING!")

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 09:07:46 AM EST
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The second train was stopped at the last station before Győr, and the refugees were guided to buses which took them to the city for registration.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 09:32:25 AM EST
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To be precise: police wanted to take the refugees by bus, but the refugees (who heard what happened to the other train) refused to board. A third group made it to Győr and were detained there.

In Bicske, the stand-off continues on the first train. Police apparently wanted to "wear out" the refugees, who stayed in wagons heating up to desert temperatures without basic provisions. But the refugees now have so little trust in police that they even refuse to accept water from them.

Meanwhile, Orbán claimed that an "ever smaller part" of the refugees arrive from war zones. Actually, the opposite is true: the Kosovo emigration ebbed off, now the overwhelming majority comes from war zones.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 01:11:41 PM EST
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As for that family on the track: now there is a video via Sky News which shows that they were already cornered by police when the husband suddenly pulled his wife down to the tracks, so it seems it really was a protest.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 08:48:30 AM EST
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ÖBB information simply replaces Budapest by Kelenföld and claims that the Railjet is running normally from there.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 04:57:08 AM EST
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Not true. Even the railjets from Vienna are being stopped at the border.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 05:04:39 AM EST
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A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 06:39:12 AM EST
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The NGO who cares for the "transit zones" is publishing lists of what the refugees need. Yesterday the items included stuff for children, so my sister brought stuff with her children and gave them to one family. Also yesterday the NGO called for a protest at Nyugati station (which I wanted to attend but went home in the last minute due to stomach pains). The occasion is new darkness: right now, parliament is debating a package of law revision proposals which would criminalise several acts relating to illegal border crossing or helping migrants, and would allow police to search homes when looking for illegal immigrants without a search warrant. Jobbik is suddenly speaking about national unity and will support it.

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by DoDo on Thu Sep 3rd, 2015 at 08:35:07 AM EST
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