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And how does an effective UK/NI border go down with the DUP?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Tue Jan 17th, 2017 at 07:10:43 PM EST
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probably not well, but they are an irrelevancy in terms of the larger picture.  Plus there are precedents with customs checks at sea and airports from/to N. Ireland/Britain up to the 1950's, and currently with US immigration staffing pre-clearance sections at Irish airports. Common Travel area
The CTA [Common Travel Area] was suspended on the outbreak of war in 1939, and travel restrictions were introduced between the islands of Great Britain and Ireland.[11] This meant that travel restrictions even applied to people travelling within the UK if they were travelling from Northern Ireland to elsewhere in the UK.
1952 agreement

After the war, the Irish re-instated their previous provisions allowing free movement[12] but the British declined to do so pending the agreement of a "similar immigration policy"[13] in both countries. Consequently, the British maintained immigration controls between the islands of Ireland and Great Britain until 1952, to the consternation of Northern Ireland's Unionist population.[14]

I'm not sure how customs controls would be applied in the same way as I'm sure the EU would want some involvement to ensure correct tariffs were applied and the UK might object to them operating on UK soil. (They could always staff the customs posts with extra-terrestrials...)

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Jan 17th, 2017 at 08:23:28 PM EST
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There's some suggestion that any customs would inevitably be on the UK Northern Ireland Border rather than between the two Ireland states.

internal passports for the UK shouldn't be introduced just to pander to the bigots in UKIP and the tabloid press

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Jan 18th, 2017 at 04:13:40 AM EST
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People seem to confuse the Free Travel Area and the Customs Union. May made lots of reference to avoid a hard border within Ireland but that seems to refer mainly to people travelling freely on the Island.  How will EU/UK customs duties be administered - on the Border or at air/sea ports?  I've seen no discussion of that.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Jan 18th, 2017 at 11:56:57 AM EST
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I'm not seeing the gross problem here at all. As I recall, in the olden days it worked like this:

  • Non-commercial vehicles could cross the border at lots of places subject to security checks. No customs check normally. I'd hope the security checks won't become necessary, though there are no guarantees.

  • Commercial vehicles crossed at approved crossing with customs posts. I assume that this could be reinstated together with electronic pre-filing stuff to minimise the hassle.

I'm assuming visa free travel between EU and UK, with bilateral right-to-work between UK and IE. The right to work in UK for EU citizens is something they'll have to deal with internally.

The border problem then comes down to difficult details: what happens to EU citizens who have been banned from the UK for immigration law breaches, for instance?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jan 18th, 2017 at 12:27:25 PM EST
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I'm guessing something similar: passport checks at air/sea ports to weed out illegal immigrants and customs checks at air/sea ports with electronic documentation (goods passports) and perhaps random checks of commercial vehicles at or near border. Cue lots of smuggling by private cars and trailers but perhaps not on a sufficient scale to worry the EU in the grand scheme of things pending "a more permanent arrangement..."

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Jan 18th, 2017 at 12:37:16 PM EST
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https://twitter.com/APHClarkson/status/821822086226333699

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 19th, 2017 at 12:13:55 AM EST
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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jan 19th, 2017 at 12:45:07 AM EST
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https://twitter.com/APHClarkson/status/821822086226333699 This time with less laziness on my part

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 19th, 2017 at 09:54:01 AM EST
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Our User Guide provides some handy instructions to embed a tweet. Works well for me.
by Bernard on Thu Jan 19th, 2017 at 07:51:52 AM EST
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