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I'm asking for the kind of solidarity that admits black votes matter and doesn't ignore the voices and votes of people of color because they chose someone who you don't agree with.

If you think all these problems are caused because the Democratic party doesn't want to fix them, then you clearly don't understand the problem.  You're denying how our system works and ignoring the evidence of the public record. You're refusing to stand against the party who is actually at war with poor and working people and causing all the problems you're railing against. You are working against building support and unity.

If neither party is your ally, then you're not engaged in political activism, you're just having a temper tantrum and you're part of the problem.  If you can't see the person who wants to support the minimum wage laws and raise it to $12 as an ally because you wanted $15 against handing control to the party who wants to eliminate the minimum wage law altogether, then there's something seriously flawed with your thought processes.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2017 at 02:08:11 AM EST
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I'm asking for the kind of solidarity that admits black votes matter and doesn't ignore the voices and votes of people of color because they chose someone who you don't agree with.

What does that even mean?

And while you're talking about the public record: Do you deny that "saving social security" for example is an entirely bipartisan obsession? And this lionization of the small (D) behind a name is something I really can't comprehend. You are telling me that people who are mostly millionaires in their own right, spend most of their working time hitting rich people up for campaign money and are as a rule deeply concerned with preserving the civility in their working relationship with the Rs you consider to be the root of all evil, are somehow my natural allies? Unless we are using that word very differently I don't see how that makes any sense.

by generic on Fri Feb 3rd, 2017 at 08:43:40 AM EST
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If you can't see the person who wants to support the minimum wage laws and raise it to $12 as an ally because you wanted $15 against handing control to the party who wants to eliminate the minimum wage law altogether,
That is a gross mischaracterization of the criticism being raised.

Failing to get behind the Fight for 15 campaign, and actual, successful union mass mobilization which is something of a rarity in the US, was an entirely unforced error on Candidate Clinton's part. Something was fundamentally wrong about team Clinton's picture of the world if they thought that was good policy or good optics.

Now, during the campaign it is impolitic to point this out, because the alternative was a talking tire fire.

But as part of the post-mortem unforced errors like that have to be owned up to. That is the only way to improve.

- Jake

Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Fri Feb 3rd, 2017 at 08:09:03 PM EST
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NOT supporting that campaign until the very end is also a fact that allows drawing conclusions about the agenda being pursued and how much the interests of actual working people figured in the Clinton campaign strategy. The conclusion: not much.


"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Feb 4th, 2017 at 07:25:49 AM EST
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