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Except if any foreign government hacked info from an American poolitical campaign and used that information to help the other side, that is a major crime in itself.

IIRC foreigners aren't even allowed to donate to a poltical campaign. Committing crimes to aid and abet one side is hardly likely to be something that would be tolerated in a more temperate season. And if collusion could be proved, well then we're almost into rico territory.

So, no it ain't journalism. As if most of the US media have any clue what that even means

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Dec 25th, 2017 at 08:42:24 AM EST
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Why should anyone care about the particulars of the American legal system? If a Voice of America journalist social engineers a procurement bill for air defence missiles for the Ukrainian separatists, signed by Vladimir personally, out of some Russian functionaries who wouldn't call it journalism?
by generic on Mon Dec 25th, 2017 at 11:34:15 AM EST
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Yes, the rule of law is such a minor inconvenience. Just like taxes, we are moving into an era where it only applies to the little people.

Which may not be an entirely stable situation

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Dec 25th, 2017 at 12:36:13 PM EST
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How does the rule of law even enter here? We are not talking about the exercise of state power and I at least am not giving advice to US prosecutors.

What I don't see is why I should be outraged about any of this. If a leaker carries out the politically embarrassing office mail, the information is of public interest and it gets published in major newspapers I would have no objection at all. Even if you replace the first step with Vladimir Putin in a hoodie, there is little material change in the outcome. And US political culture already was considering journalism, as in publishing what the powerful don't want published, to be close to treason. Jumping on the McCarthy express doesn't seem helpful.

by generic on Thu Dec 28th, 2017 at 12:24:15 AM EST
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Criminal conduct is explicitly identified by U.S. federal and state code, chapter [18] and verse [1961], with plenty exceptions and exemptions and mitigating circumstances &tc ("loopholes"). Any conduct that is NOT indentifed by U.S. federal and state code ("on the books") as criminal is lawful. It is lawful even if civi litigation finds tortious harms, or liability, subject to penalty or compensatory damages ("cost of doing business"). This vaccuum of commonsense is where all unscrupulous people ply their trade "with impugnity".

Mueller's public brief is programmed to fail.

"Meddling and interference" in "democracy" or "election process" is no where codified by U.S. Code or states' statutes. But it sure is  "click bait" --the transaction  that produces revenue for the person supplying publishing services to an advertiser ("content creator"). Gah bless Free Trade.

"Collusion" and "conspiracy" are not crimes, because people collude and conspire every. fucking. day. They collude or conspire to realized some group, enterprise, corporate, company, organization purpose. Gah bless Trade Secrets.

Collusion or conspiracy to commit a crime [LISTED] is defined. But meddle and interfere in democracy and election process is undefined by USC. Since Mueller has been unable as yet to pin even one of the [LIST] to any foreign or domestic, would you have him invent criminal conduct?

Or would you prefer he discover evidence of criminal conduct?


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Dec 28th, 2017 at 12:06:49 AM EST
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Rod Rosenstein's Letter Appointing Mueller Special Counsel May 2017
"links and/or coordination"

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Dec 28th, 2017 at 02:06:14 AM EST
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