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I guess I understand. Many of you are civilians, have been civilians your whole life, and have almost no actual experience with the military other than the stereotypes you see on the screen. In fact, the Military is one of the last few safe stereotypes. Hollywood doesn't need to know anything about the military to include the military in TV and movies. Privates are robots who shout YESSER!, Sergeants are PTSD ridden drunks and sadists (and usually have some type of incurable venereal disease which keeps them out of combat which is why they are sadists), junior officers are bumbling ernest dolts, and senior officers are almost always engaged in some nefarious conspiracy to something something gazpacho. And they're all just itching to overthrow democracy and probably kill a lot of people in the process because there ain't nothing the boys in uniform love more than killin' -- unless it's stealing boxes of gold from Saddam's palace. It's always the same. That's what you think of, isn't it? That's why when I wrote the previous piece about not panicking over the military, more than 500 of you wrote screaming to remind me about Kent State. KENT STATE, MAN, WHAT ABOUT THAT? WHAT ABOUT THAT, JIM?! OMG WHAT ABOUT KENT STATE? And what about it? It was 46 years ago and you actually had to go back that far to find an example of poorly trained, poorly led, second string troops from a vastly different military and a vastly different culture to panic over and the stereotype is so ingrained that you didn't even realize that you couldn't find any other examples post Vietnam. In reality, like everything else, things are bit different from Hollywood. (They were a bit different even back then, and they are vastly more so now). But still, that's what you're thinking.
Many of you are civilians, have been civilians your whole life, and have almost no actual experience with the military other than the stereotypes you see on the screen.
In fact, the Military is one of the last few safe stereotypes.
Hollywood doesn't need to know anything about the military to include the military in TV and movies. Privates are robots who shout YESSER!, Sergeants are PTSD ridden drunks and sadists (and usually have some type of incurable venereal disease which keeps them out of combat which is why they are sadists), junior officers are bumbling ernest dolts, and senior officers are almost always engaged in some nefarious conspiracy to something something gazpacho. And they're all just itching to overthrow democracy and probably kill a lot of people in the process because there ain't nothing the boys in uniform love more than killin' -- unless it's stealing boxes of gold from Saddam's palace. It's always the same.
That's what you think of, isn't it?
That's why when I wrote the previous piece about not panicking over the military, more than 500 of you wrote screaming to remind me about Kent State. KENT STATE, MAN, WHAT ABOUT THAT? WHAT ABOUT THAT, JIM?! OMG WHAT ABOUT KENT STATE? And what about it? It was 46 years ago and you actually had to go back that far to find an example of poorly trained, poorly led, second string troops from a vastly different military and a vastly different culture to panic over and the stereotype is so ingrained that you didn't even realize that you couldn't find any other examples post Vietnam.
In reality, like everything else, things are bit different from Hollywood. (They were a bit different even back then, and they are vastly more so now).
But still, that's what you're thinking.
Privates are robots who shout YESSER!, Sergeants are PTSD ridden drunks and sadists (and usually have some type of incurable venereal disease which keeps them out of combat which is why they are sadists), junior officers are bumbling ernest dolts, and senior officers are almost always engaged in some nefarious conspiracy to something something gazpacho. And they're all just itching to overthrow democracy and probably kill a lot of people in the process because there ain't nothing the boys in uniform love more than killin' -- unless it's stealing boxes of gold from Saddam's palace. It's always the same.
Maybe this is generational and I've not seen the right movies, but other than the bit about Privates shouting "Yes sir," that's the exact opposite of how I've seen the military portrayed by Hollywood. And everywhere, really. Thinking of conspiratorial military episodes -- I dunno, The Rock? And even then, it was a small unit of Bad GuysTM who became MercenariesTM.
People trip over themselves -- in and outside of the media -- to glorify the military.
As he noted, Kent State was 46 years ago. And I assume the movies he's thinking of are of a similar vintage. What is he on about? Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
I'm not worried about the military. The military will sort that kind of behavior out real quick. This or that soldier may be conservative or liberal, and groups just the same. And stupid shit like that will happen, of course -- but, again, the command structure will not be pleased, and they'll spend a few days scrubbing toilets with toothbrushes (or whatever the modern equivalent is) and learn a lesson.
The FBI, CBP, ICE, etc -- the Cops Who Wear Suits agencies -- are far more worrisome than the military. For one, because they operate domestically, of course, unlike there military (outside of natural disaster response and the like). For another, because they're not under the same kind of structure and programmed the same way as the military. Same with cops and sheriffs at the local level. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
- Jake Friends come and go. Enemies accumulate.
Bigger issue is Trump clearly sees no need to listen to any of the competent generals around him. Mattis and others are apparently on the verge of resigning.
That said, I should add a qualifier to my comment:
On the list of groups to worry about, the military ranks quite low. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
(Side note: Forget the Satanist horse at the entrance. That airport is a colossal pain in the ass. It might as well be in Tulsa.) Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
Especially considering this:
FBI investigated white supremacists infiltrating law enforcement agencies: Report
According to a classified FBI counterterrorism policy guide obtained by The Intercept, "white supremacists and other domestic extremists" have been joining law enforcement agencies across the United States. "Domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers," the FBI's guide states. Detailing the ways the FBI places individuals on a terrorism watch list, the Known or Suspected Terrorism File. Despite the evident threat posed by these right-wing extremists, law enforcement has failed to acknowledge proper ways to combat, or even address the systemic issue.
"Domestic terrorism investigations focused on militia extremists, white supremacist extremists, and sovereign citizen extremists often have identified active links to law enforcement officers," the FBI's guide states. Detailing the ways the FBI places individuals on a terrorism watch list, the Known or Suspected Terrorism File.
Despite the evident threat posed by these right-wing extremists, law enforcement has failed to acknowledge proper ways to combat, or even address the systemic issue.
Report was put together by the Bush administration folks but came out right after Obama took office. The GOPers lost their shit over it.
Think the Southern Poverty Law Center put a similar report out around the same time as they were seeing the same thing.
I'm hesitant to take it too seriously for fear of veering into hyperbole, but it wouldn't be shocking. In many places, it'd be very easy for white supremacists to slither into law enforcement in a cultural sense. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
you are the media you consume.
And, yep, you're right about the violence in the prisons. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
GOP leader apologizes for tweeting: 'Time for another Kent State'
A county Republican leader in the Upper Peninsula is under fire for seeming to suggest in his social media posts there should be a Kent State type of crackdown on violent protests like the one that erupted at a university in California last week. But in an interview Sunday with the Free Press, Dan Adamini, the secretary of the Marquette County Republican Party, said he apologizes, supports peace and was merely trying to prevent further violence and hatred. The Marquette resident said that he has received death threats and been harassed by people outraged over his remarks that refer to the 1970 shooting deaths of four students at Kent State University in Ohio by the Ohio National Guard. Nine other students were wounded in what many consider a turning point in public opinion about the Vietnam War.
But in an interview Sunday with the Free Press, Dan Adamini, the secretary of the Marquette County Republican Party, said he apologizes, supports peace and was merely trying to prevent further violence and hatred.
The Marquette resident said that he has received death threats and been harassed by people outraged over his remarks that refer to the 1970 shooting deaths of four students at Kent State University in Ohio by the Ohio National Guard. Nine other students were wounded in what many consider a turning point in public opinion about the Vietnam War.
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