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I already linked rationalwiki eschatology, of which millenialism, subsection secular iterations.

Chistine Hayes
here, in particular lectures 15 - 19.

She and Dale Martin are quite the pairing for those who'd rather not get into the weeds of ecumenical "faith" or prefer to climb out of them.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sat Sep 9th, 2017 at 03:12:15 PM EST
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You said: "eschatology and milleniarism
is a genre of religious literature peculiar to jewish tradition in prophecy." I respinded that it is not at all peculiar to the jewish tradition as it has spread to Christianity. I could also have noted the Mayan concept of the Katun, much of which was made leading up to 2012, even if tey used a different number system As you could have said Judeo-Christain Tradition I took it that you did mean 'peculiar to the Jewish tradition.

Now that I think of it, Norse mythology and the 'Twilight of the Gods' Is a similar eschatology, perhaps again not millenerian. According to The Viking Answer Lady Norse speakers did use a base 10 counting system.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Sep 9th, 2017 at 09:29:37 PM EST
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Explain to me what distinction the term "Judeo-Christian tradition" obtains apart from "jewish tradition in prophecy" narrated in the OT and NT.

Besides calling out the psychiatrists to which the authors refer, I took on the subject to assign that prophetic role to the authors in this eschatological, calamitous, era which they identify with climate change and inhumanity, degradation, incontinence, alienation, &tc. Were you able to listen to the Hayes and Martin lectures (You may find transcript @ Yale; some do along with syllabus), you would apprehend the relevance of that function in that tradition is not predictive power.

What happened to prophet Isiah, prophet Jesus, prophet Luther (HAPPY BIRTHDAY!), prophet Miller? Nevermind.

Consider the relevance of pagan or gentile prophetic traditions to the authors' despair amid "human futilitarianism".

I visited VikingLady years ago, looked around, and haven't been back. It was difficult to avoid as there are few more authoritative references on "humanity" (and wiccan ritual and recipes) beside Smedley Butler and Robert Altmeyer.  

And The Bible.

Little Known Fact: an UID, also a film buff, responded to a comment I posted about The 13th Warrior --much in the way I recommended Last Kingdom to you. You know that story: Muslim ambassador meets crude Vikings in thrall of superstition, dispels mystery. walp, VikingLady keeps an excerpt of ibn whathefu's memoir. That encounter with Rus was reported to be the literary basis of the film plot. Of course, I went in search of the translator and complete text, because that's what I do.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Sep 10th, 2017 at 01:31:44 AM EST
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I very much enjoyed The 13th Warrior. It fit well what I understood about both the Viking world and Dar al Islam.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Sep 11th, 2017 at 02:03:57 AM EST
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by chance another secondary source
< wipes tears >
Alfred of Wessex (Las Kingdom makes a cameo appearance

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Sep 16th, 2017 at 07:16:55 AM EST
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From runestones it's pretty clear that the Vikings used a predominantly ten-based system, but without symbols for numbers other than abbreviations. So I think the Viking lady is right on that one.

Not using symbols for numbers, I don't think there was millennialism as such as in the magic of big, round numbers. Or at least I haven't heard of it.

The Twilight of the Gods on Norse mythology is interesting because it becomes less clear the more one studies it. Has it happened? Is it going to happen? An interpretation I have come across is that what we see is a mix of a cyclic myth with death and re-birth of the world colored by the three year winter 536-539 AD as Fimbulwinter and interpreted through and adopted to a Christian world by Snorre. That could explain the variations and unclear time frame.

by fjallstrom on Mon Sep 11th, 2017 at 03:15:20 PM EST
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