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I've thought of an easy solution to Catholicism's problems in regard to marriage in the priesthood, empowering women in the Church, recognizing the need for effective contraception, and becoming accountable to its membership: become Lutherans.
by Andhakari on Wed Aug 29th, 2018 at 04:45:11 AM EST
A few Catholics with concerns on these issues have joined the Anglican Church of Ireland which is not all that different in terms of theology and ritual, but which has women and married priests and bishops, no issues with contraception, and some accountability through Parish select vestries and Diocesan synods. Others find the Church of Ireland too redolent of the old Anglo-Irish ascendency. Most just drift away from organised religion altogether. Even most practicing Catholics maintain a huge cognitive dissonance between Church teach and doctrine and their own beliefs and behaviours on medical and social issues.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Aug 29th, 2018 at 11:14:50 AM EST
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There's always a tension between folk religion and formal institutions - not to mention elite religion, which is often different again in the details.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Aug 29th, 2018 at 01:40:58 PM EST
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I wasn't just thinking of the rank and file, but the whole show, priests, candlesticks and all.  Just declare that through a clerical (heh, heh) error the protestants really won the 30 years war, and associated conflicts, and the Church would like to offer sincerest regrets for the last 501 years of silliness, plus here's the keys to the Vatican, and we're off.
Problem solved, except for all the paedophiles (who knew there were so many?).  Send them off to America to join the Dennis Hastert wing of the Republican Party.
by Andhakari on Wed Aug 29th, 2018 at 03:16:20 PM EST
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There's all that power and property to consider. Church people have to make a living somehow, and who would employ them?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Aug 29th, 2018 at 03:53:37 PM EST
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Keep them on.  Just like a corporate takeover.  The mission is the same.  The facilities aren't too far out of line.
Baptisms, confirmations, weddings and funerals.  And the regular weekly stuff.  All pretty much the same except the priests will come with a variety of genitals, and get to go on dates without sneaking around.
Maybe the Lutherans could take on the Pope, as a kind of a constitutional monarch figure: no power, but waves to the common folk and has his bits kissed by Trump, and others like him.
by Andhakari on Wed Aug 29th, 2018 at 04:12:43 PM EST
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But doesn't that have the disadvantage that when you die, you will go to Hell?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Aug 29th, 2018 at 11:22:50 AM EST
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most abuse survivors have already been there

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Aug 29th, 2018 at 12:13:50 PM EST
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