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Chris Johns got two points wrong or misarticulated them:

(1) "the EU could legally and logically offer only one of two route: Canada or Norway."

(2) "either the EU gives way on the freedom of movement of people, or the British accept the Irish Sea border." We're not even sure a capitulation on FOM would bring about the desired result (Norway light?). People like Nick Clegg think a 'compromise' on FOM as a good will gesture could stop Brexit in a second referendum. I think that's delusional. As they say: appeasement doesnt work. No one gave a toss about Cameron's deal on FOM, they won't start caring now.

Schengen is toast!

by epochepoque on Sun Sep 23rd, 2018 at 10:31:51 PM EST
EU is not going to offer anything until Tory gov co-signs the A50 settlement agreement --stipulating conditions of UK trade priveleges. Before 31 October.

Tory gov has been out of order on Lisbon provisions since Day 1. And they just won't quit pumping out the "future partnership" position litter.

Continuity in the availability of goods for the EU and the UK - position paper, 21 Aug

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Sep 23rd, 2018 at 10:57:02 PM EST
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PM Brexit negotiations statement: 21 September 2018
The first is our economic relationship after we have left.

Here, the EU is still only offering us two options.

The first option would involve the UK staying in the European Economic Area and a customs union with the EU.

In plain English, this would mean we'd still have to abide by all the EU rules, uncontrolled immigration from the EU would continue and we couldn't do the trade deals we want with other countries.

That would make a mockery of the referendum we had two years ago.

The second option would be a basic free trade agreement for Great Britain that would introduce checks at the Great Britain/EU border. But even worse, Northern Ireland would effectively remain in the Customs Union and parts of the Single Market, permanently separated economically from the rest of the UK by a border down the Irish Sea.

Parliament has already - unanimously - rejected this idea....

Mind you, the UK Withdrawal Bill repealed the ECA.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Sep 23rd, 2018 at 11:03:07 PM EST
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Scottish Secretary gives evidence to Scottish Parliament committees, 17 Sep
I deeply regret that the Scottish Parliament felt unable to give consent to the EU (Withdrawal) Act. To the very end we worked constructively with the Scottish Government to try to reach agreement, making significant changes to the legislation. Throughout, the UK Government upheld our commitment to the devolution settlement.

We remain fully committed to devolution and we will continue to seek legislative consent, take on board views, and work with the devolved administrations on Bills. ...

"devolved government" BWAH!

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Sep 23rd, 2018 at 11:06:55 PM EST
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(1) The UK red lines changed. At first Norway was widely debated as a possible preferred option. When the EU reiterated that the 4 freedoms were indivisible, Canada+++ (whatever that is) becomes the only logical option, but Chequers does not acknowledge this.

(2) If the EU were to allow some restrictions on the free movement of people, thus enabling the UK as a whole to remain in the Single Market, that would reduce the need for a border in the Irish sea - although it should be noted there is still a customs border between Norway and Sweden because Norway is not in the Customs Union.  

So (a) it wouldn't solve the problem, and (b) it might require changes to the Treaties governing the Single Market and thus a referendum in Ireland.

Chris Johns dooesn't argue this, he merely observes that the limited scope of the proposed Brexit Treaty postpones all the really difficult decisions until later, and doesn't guarantee there will ever be an agreement on future trade relations, whether some variant on Norway or Canada.

Many Brexiteers are clear they don't want either - they are happy with WTO rules. They don't seem to have noticed that Trump has rendered the WTO all but irrelevant and perhaps defunct.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Sep 23rd, 2018 at 11:10:22 PM EST
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The problem is Tory gov will not sign an A50 settlement.

They can bloviate all they want in a "future partnership" but those terms will not be in the A50 settlement. They know that. Deep down you know that. The difference between us is I. don't. care. what Tory gov wants in the future.

I wouldn't turn my back on a one of them in broad daylight.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Sep 24th, 2018 at 12:16:31 AM EST
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