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Well, I'm not sure allowing yourself to be manipulated into picking up weapons and rioting leaves you innocent - my preferred option is the police breaking a few right-wing yobs heads' when they try  to make trouble post-revocation.

But I fear we'll end up with pogroms in a post-Brexit meltdown instead.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 8th, 2019 at 01:25:34 PM EST
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the media (who are centrists and right wingers) are into the whole "both sides do it" full bore at the moment.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 8th, 2019 at 01:41:55 PM EST
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German far-right MP Frank Magnitz badly hurt in Bremen attack
German far-right politician Frank Magnitz has been beaten up and severely injured in an attack seen by police as politically motivated.

The leader of Alternative for Germany (AfD) in Bremen was attacked by at least three masked men in the centre of the northern city on Monday.

The attackers knocked him unconscious with a piece of wood and kicked him in the head, AfD officials said.

by das monde on Tue Jan 8th, 2019 at 02:17:19 PM EST
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Police investigation casts doubts on AfD's version of events ...

Doubt cast over details of attack on AfD lawmaker Magnitz | DW |

Frank Passade, a spokesman with the Bremen prosecutor's office, said the video shows that Magnitz was attacked by three people, but he added that it looks likely that most of Magnitz's injuries were sustained as he hit the ground.

Magnitz checked himself out of the hospital on Wednesday and is recovering well, according to fellow Bremen AfD member Thomas Jürgewitz.

On Tuesday, the lawmaker spent most of the day talking to the press, inviting journalists to his sick bed to see the wounds on his face, covered with thick layers of gauze, and drawing their attention to the wheelchair he was using in hospital.


Magnitz's AfD colleagues have used the incident as a call to action, blaming the far-left Antifa group, the center-left Social Democrats (SPD), and "left-wing terrorists," for the parliamentarian's wounds.

CCTV may contradict Magnitz

On Wednesday, however, prosecutors in Bremen questioned whether Magnitz was assaulted in exactly the manner he described. A spokesman told German news agency DPA that CCTV footage of the attack showed Magnitz being elbowed once, then falling over as his attackers ran away.

[In next article some links added are mine - Oui]

German police cast doubt on details of attack on rightwing politician | The Guardian |

German police and prosecutors have questioned some of the claims made by a rightwing populist politician who suffered an attack that left him with serious head injuries.

Police say video footage casts doubt on assertions by Frank Magnitz that he was beaten with a wooden instrument by attackers who only stopped assaulting him when two passersby intervened.

Magnitz, 66, the head of Alternative für Deutschland in the city state of Bremen, was hospitalised on Monday evening after being attacked by strangers.


Jörg Meuthen, the party's federal chairman, posted a photograph on Twitter on Tuesday, showing the MP, apparently unconscious, with a deep gash to his head and a bruised face, and calling the attack an "assassination attempt".

Magnitz gave several interviews from his hospital bed on Tuesday. He told the Berliner Morgenpost that while he "didn't want to dramatise" the attack, he believed it had been "a politically motivated assassination attempt". In a subsequent interview with the tabloid Bild, he said while it was unlikely, he would not rule out that he might also have been the victim of a mugging.

He said the last thing he could recall was passing a handyman's van, after which "everything went dark". He came round, he said, when someone shook his arm, and asked if he still had his mobile phone and his wallet.

Magnitz said he suspected his attackers might have been participants at a nearby memorial demonstration for an asylum seeker who was killed in police custody in Bremen 14 years ago.

He told the Morgenpost he assumed someone from the demonstration recognised him and decided to follow him.

A spokeswoman for the event's organisers, the "Initiative to remember Laye-Alama Condé", accused Magnitz of speculation and of "purposefully wanting to discredit the subject matter of our event".

Magnitz hält Kundgebungsteilnehmer für Täter | Frakfurter Allgemeiner |

Mobiler Denkort erinnert an Laye Condé
Widerstand gegen Denkmal für Laye-Alama Condé | Der Spiegel - Jan. 19, 2015 |

Related reading @ThinkProgress ...

A so-called 'attack' on a far-right German politician has been thrown into doubt

by Oui on Thu Jan 10th, 2019 at 03:50:26 AM EST
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    Die AfD spricht von "Linksterror"

    In der Erklärung ist von einem "Attentat" die Rede, von einem "mörderischen Akt", begangen von vermummten "Terroristen". Dahinter stecke die Bremer Antifa, die auch von Linken, SPD und Grünen unterstützt werde. Mit einem Kantholz hätten die Angreifer Magnitz bewusstlos geschlagen. "Sie traten weiter gegen seinen Kopf, als er bereits am Boden lag." Parteichef Alexander Gauland sagt in Berlin, die Tat sei das "Ergebnis der andauernden Hetze von Politikern und Medien" gegen die AfD. Co-Parteichef Jörg Meuthen spricht in einem Video-Statement von "Linksterror".

Bremen police release video of attack on AfD lawmaker Frank Magnitz | DW |

The Bremen public prosecutor's office and police on Friday released video of an attack on Bremen AfD Chairman Frank Magnitz that could shed light on details of the assault.

The court order required for the release of the video was issued Thursday by the Bremen local court, police said in a statement. The CCTV footage released by police showed Magnitz being elbowed once and then falling over as the attackers fled.

New far-right German party adopts former secret Nazi symbol

by Oui on Fri Jan 11th, 2019 at 07:45:28 PM EST
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by das monde on Tue Jan 8th, 2019 at 02:23:22 PM EST
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No outrage over the attacks on Diane Abbott, who receives more online abuse and death threats than all other female MPs combined?

And, Laura Kuennsberg is not a dispassionate observer. She abused her role as a journalist to orchestrate a Shadow Cabinet resignation for maximum embarrassment to Jeremy corbyn. She was front and centre in leading the charge of the wholly false anti-semitic attacks on Corbyn.

To claim that legitimate complaints about her' and Andrew Neill's blatant anti-corbyn bias amount to abuse is to stretch language beyond the bounds of comprehension.

Sadly, they are but the two most prominent BBC Journalists who've been found to leave their thumbs on the scales of impartiality. there are others. Nick Robinson does sometimes let his Tory flag fly, but he is a paragon of virtue compared to the other two. And Andrew Marr has become a joke, the monstering of Carole Cadwalladr and Shami Chakrabarti was simply shameful.

Kay Burley works for Sky, aka Murdoch. Of course it's biased against Labour, that's why it exists

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 8th, 2019 at 03:38:14 PM EST
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Fintan O'Toole: British wrong to think revolutions are bloodless

We need to talk about political violence. In Britain's current crisis, it is hinted at, alluded to, occasionally threatened. It has a spectral presence, as for example last week, when foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt claimed that "the social consequences . . . of not going ahead and leaving the EU on March 29th, as we've been instructed to do, would be devastating". But it also has a very specific resonance: different ways of thinking about political violence are at the heart of the divide between Britain and Ireland and thus of the failure of the whole Brexit project.

In less than five years, Britain has experienced two attempted revolutions, two upheavals of the kind that, historically speaking, are typically associated with mass violence. One of these is the demand for Scottish independence, culminating in the referendum of 2014. The other is Brexit. Each occupies the emotion-soaked terrain of belonging and identity, that treacherous landscape of minefields and quicksand. And each has been remarkably peaceful. There was no serious violence in Scotland. Brexit has resulted in the murder of an MP, Jo Cox, and has indirectly fed a rise in attacks on "foreigners". But from any global or historical viewpoint, it looks unusually pacific.

If you're Irish and you say this to Scots or English people, they look at you in puzzlement. They measure these things by a different scale. Scots were deeply upset that people were abusing each other online during the referendum and that there were some instances of politicians being shouted at in the street. English people are devastated that they can't talk about Brexit at the Christmas dinner table without risking a row. I do not want to minimise the genuine unpleasantness of this discord, but - how shall we put this? - it's not Bloody Sunday or Bloody Friday or Enniskillen or Greysteel or La Mon or the Shankill Butchers.

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 01:30:41 PM EST
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The murder of my wife, Jo Cox, is being used to cow MPs. That's not her legacy | The Guardian Opinion |

... the thing that comes out in almost every photo is her spirit of generosity and kindness. Her smile is unmissable and unforgettable - even in the face of awful weather, precipitous rock climbs or on tough days. We miss her energy and positivity in our lives as much as anything.

So it's hard to describe how strange it is to see her name used as a threat. At first it was individual MPs being threatened with her name.

Anna Soubry, a Tory MP harangued by far-right protesters on Monday, was threatened by a man who said she should be "Jo Cox'd". The man responsible was jailed for eight weeks.

Helen Jones, Labour MP for Warrington North, was similarly threatened. A man holding a hunting knife said to social workers: "I'm going to go there and Jo Cox her."

A third MP, Stella Creasy, received a threatening letter saying she would "join that woman cox". The SNP politicians Stewart Stevenson and Angus MacNeil were told to "remember what happened to Jo Cox" - the person responsible in that case was prosecuted and fined.

by Oui on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 02:23:49 PM EST
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Christmas dinner table

Wasn't it always like this in Ireland? Or is that just the impression I got from Portrait of an artist?

by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 06:19:42 PM EST
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For once I'm gonna disagree strongly with Fintan O'Toole. In fact, he skirts being condescendinly patronising.
 for starters, the English Civil war was hardly bloodless. I know it was in the mid 17th century, but he's the one who started there.

Moving forwards, from Peterloo (1819) onwards, the English Establishment have always ensured that they demonstrate an eagerness to use overwhelming violence against any threat of insurrection and will  be merciless at the first sign of trouble. The number of deaths may be small, 15 or so at Peterloo, only 1 when Churchill ordered troops to fire on strking miners in Tonypandy in 1910, no known deaths after the Battle of George Square in glasgow 1919 when tanks and cavalry were used. But on each and every occasion hundreds are left injured and thousands are traumatised. The lesson is learned ; step out of line and you and every one you know will suffer grievously.

Even the Battle of Orgreave in the 80s was a minor demonstration, but using modern disinformation techniques to sell a lie to to the public as to what actually happened and bolster the Establishment's case. Few were badly injured, but the television narrative sent the message intended.

At no point has a genuine revolution been attempted since the 1650s, but blood has been shed at every stage of establishing basic rights for working people.

However, we are here now, and fascists roam the streets unmolested. Left wingers may be arrested for staging lay down protests outside the Houses of Parliament, but violent hooligans seem to be free to harange and threaten legislators at their convenience.

And, as I've said, we haven't got to the end of the A50 process yet. The police have reported an uptick of guns and other weapons being smuggled into the UK, yet we have seen no increase in gun-related crime. All of which suggests that these groups are tooling up.

If brexit happens then we may have a period of calm, but if A50 is cancelled or things begin to fall apart after brexit, then I suspect we may be in for desperate times with a genuine possibility of an attempted coup.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 07:57:53 PM EST
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A pitchfork is a suitable weapon in a mob action. No importing needed.
by asdf on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 08:41:23 PM EST
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a gun with plenty of ammo is gonna be better

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 08:49:48 PM EST
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I don't think we'll see a coup if Brexit is cancelled. I don't think the fascists are numerous enough, organised enough, or professional enough to organise a coup - unless they're led by the armed forces. Which is possible, but perhaps not very likely - although given their hatred of Corbyn, I wouldn't want to bet money on it not happening if Corbyn wins a GE.

I think if Brexit goes ahead and things fall apart, then we might see a coup. In fact I suspect this has been the plan all along. The Tories do love their fascist dictatorships, and turning the UK into one would surely be a wet dream for them.

The thing that worries me is May's relatively insouciance. She said outright to Corbyn during PMQs "We will never let you govern" and that suggests there are backup plans. She certainly doesn't seem unduly stressed about the current Parliamentary resistance to her deal. And the criminal actions of the Tories suggest they see no prospect of any accountability or retribution.

But they could also just be idiots. Many of them clearly are.

Today's events suggest Parliament is serious about stopping No Deal, and it still seems unlikely that May's deal will get through. The latest rumour is that she's threatening a GE if the deal is voted down - to be held in April, which means No Deal would be the default.

Unfortunately for her the Henry VIII legislation enacted last year makes it possible for Parliament to vote to extend or revoke A50 without her approval, and without the debating cycle of a full bill.

It would be hilariously ironic if her insane power grab actually gave Parliament the tools to stop her insane Brexit plans.

The next couple of weeks are going to be very interesting.

But this is the UK in survival mode. The core problems - which are symbolised by the Tory party, and are based on an underlying geriatric nostalgia, instead of a progressive vision for the future - will still have to be solved even if Brexit is halted.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 10:09:49 PM EST
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Checking Wikipedia, UK certainly has enough forces for a couple. But would the officer corps comply? Would the troops?

If armed forces are called out to handle protests and they disobey and join the protesters, the government is usually done for.

by fjallstrom on Wed Jan 9th, 2019 at 11:57:48 PM EST
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the coup will be a strike against any polticians who are seen as standing against what the right wing desire.

A semi-coordinated strike against senior Labour politicians and remain tories. Decapitate the opposition and that is your coup there

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 10th, 2019 at 06:44:19 PM EST
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But aren't you agreeing with his central thesis that the: "British wrong to think revolutions are bloodless"? He doesn't think revolutions are, but he thinks many Brits share the illusion that they are...

He is warning against the complacency that Brexit is no big deal really, and that the British will muddle through as the always do with a minimum of fuss or violence.

Index of Frank's Diaries

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Jan 10th, 2019 at 12:13:45 AM EST
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and I'm saying that the Establishment already know that blood is shed even during "peaceful" evolution. They've made a ready habit of it for the last 200 years and they'll certainly be ready for more, down to the last drop of opposition blood. It's how they defended the Empire and it's how they'll defend their brexit.

And it is their brexit. The Establishment didn't like having the EU regulate (a bit) their nasty little scams, so when they say "taking back control", they don't mean the people of the UK any more than they mean Parliament (the recent recalcitrance of the backbenches is most unwelcome), they mean for themselves. From europe, from oversight; their own private low regulation tax haven.

And if Leave voters think this is about their unicorn and rainbow wish list, then they're going to be pretty disappointed

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jan 10th, 2019 at 06:41:59 PM EST
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Seems to me that the thing about Brexit is that it's really, largely, a fight within the Establishment - they've weaponised racists and idiots, but really its a power struggle between various wings of the ruling classes.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 11th, 2019 at 09:38:52 AM EST
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According to one learned friend it's a clash between two masonic bodies.
He sees the Trump/Clinton dichotomy in that same light.
At first blush it sounded like stock potboiler conspiracy but I am seeing a similar pattern emerging in the hive mind.
Two unnamed forces in a death match with 70% of society as collateral damage. Two forces whose greed for dominion of the lion's share of a shrinking global economy is laying waste to everything around, thrashing in throes to try and keep the old systems running one more profit cycle. .

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jan 11th, 2019 at 10:00:32 AM EST
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"Seems to me that the thing about Brexit is that it's really, largely, a fight within the Establishment - they've weaponised racists and idiots, but really its a power struggle between various wings of the ruling classes."

So very true!

That's been my thesis all along in recent years. You have stated as such  in a brief comment.

It's been a storm gathering from de defeat of Barry Goldwater in 1964. The social revolution of the 1960s, the year 1968, the hippies and sexual liberation ... a counterrevolution was about to happen. The Reagan/Bush years ... Newt Gingrich and Gov shutdown ... rise of then neocons and the luck of a Bush administration in a time of war .. the rise of might through Evangelical Christians ... terror, fear and Islamophobia ... populist parties tapping in the opportunity ... joint effort American and British conservatives attaining their goals of Brexit and a Trump presidency ... reaping profits for another eight years.

Democracy Unplugged, Regime Change and Project Alamo

Putting blame on Russia is just a big distraction ... running the playbook of the 1950s with Un-American Activities.

G W F and McCarthyism In A Digital Age - Part 1

Plenty of titles one can read and contemplate, an update of Warfare and Clausewitz ...

  • What Clausewitz Can Teach Us About War on Social Media - Military Tactics in the Age of Facebook [Foreign Affairs]
  • Cyber Wars:  A Paradigm Shift from Means to Ends [Min. of Defence, India]
  • Adapting Clausewitz to the Information Age: How Traditional News Media and Social Networking are Combining to Expand the Triangle [Naval War College]
  • Just found this from Leiden University - Perspectives on terrorism - recent online resources.

    by Oui on Fri Jan 11th, 2019 at 11:12:14 AM EST
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    There is a lot to discover, for example, that changes in leadership of the USA are cosmetic. The leadership of the HUAC was always "bi-partisan". By definition, it's purpose remains to quash in the "body politic" any alternative ideology or purposes of its incorporation --as nation, as army, as a society-- to that professed by its commanders.

    So it has been since English plantation shareholders arrived in Virginia.

    Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

    by Cat on Fri Jan 11th, 2019 at 02:52:14 PM EST
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    Which is where parallels between Brexiters and gilets jaunes fall flat. God alone knows if anyone weaponised the gilets jaunes. A little help from the ultra-right, no doubt, or from RT, the FN... Certainly some ectoplasmic blob spawned by FB algorithms. More certainly yet a decade of austerity tacked on the end of several decades of gradual job bleeding and loss of future prospects.

    But an intra-establishment struggle, not. The entire establishment is shitting itself. Even Jean-Luc Mélenchon looks uncomfortable.

    I used to be afew. I'm still not many.

    by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Fri Jan 11th, 2019 at 02:23:51 PM EST
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    That activity is known historically as "raising an army", to incorporate numbers of people by hook or crook. This mass of people, this "body," this "party," has one purpose. That purpose is obedience to a commander.

    Now, one asks oneself, "Self, what is my commander's purpose?"

    That activity is, not ironically, known to the common man as insubordination. The attitude of each one to incorporation and purposes of the body is not indeed a trivial feature being of it, the sense of belonging to a "body politic", a senseless object.

    Just so the "D" of DUP stands in for Democratic, next to Unionist. It had never before occurred to me to look into the abbreviation of itself.

    Appropriate future access to low-skilled labour in Northern Ireland is important, particularly given the potential for local firms to be placed at a competitive disadvantage to those in the Republic of Ireland where there are not similar labour market constraints.

    Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
    by Cat on Fri Jan 11th, 2019 at 02:36:23 PM EST
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    it won't be the ones who pick up the weapons who shed blood. It will be those who don't.

    keep to the Fen Causeway
    by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jan 8th, 2019 at 03:39:07 PM EST
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