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Considering that we have an outbreak of copycat "big men" all over the planet, all playing the same games, a happy ending is not a given.

And considering the rhetoric around the Supreme Court judgement and the Benn Act, I think Johnson genuinely seems himself as Emperor-in-Waiting - like Trump, but with added classical references, even more drugs, and less dementia.

The fact that both are seriously disordered individuals is neither here nor there.

Realistically, they have no interest in precedent, morality, convention, or fair dealing. As far they're concerned they're in power, we're not. That's all anyone needs to know.

If a constitution is founded on the principle that leaders act with at least a minimum of integrity and force is never necessary, you have a problem if it becomes obvious that force has to be applied - because you're in uncharted territory, having to make difficult decisions about who is qualified/required to apply the force, under what circumstances, and with what limits.

And if there are back-channel conversations where your Emperor-in-Waiting is making threats of force of his own, or using bribes to override the usual constitution limits, or blackmail, or some other chicanery, your problem becomes far more serious.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Oct 10th, 2019 at 11:45:29 AM EST
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If a constitution is founded on the principle that leaders act with at least a minimum of integrity and force is never necessary,
I mean, the Americans thought that the other branches of government would be jealous of their power. Which was blatantly silly even then, since the people involved were Senators second and owners of slave plantations first.
by generic on Thu Oct 10th, 2019 at 12:50:22 PM EST
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The question at the top of this thread was: if the Queen sacks Johnson and he refuses to go, what happens? My response is that he can only get away with that if he has the army with him. Not impossible, but imo very unlikely.

As to the rest of your comment, I don't disagree. I'm not out to defend the British mess of a constitution. I'm not sure I see a good example of a well-functioning written constitution, though. (Doesn't mean there can't be one).

Overall, right now, I think we're being trolled by Johnson bluster and Cummings venom. They've got everybody jumping around and guessing. Keep everything in a state of flux where no one really knows wtf is going to happen, is the game.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Thu Oct 10th, 2019 at 06:34:52 PM EST
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You miss the point: No such thing exists.

All law "functions" because of obedience to and enforcement of it by people.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Oct 10th, 2019 at 07:04:55 PM EST
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I don't miss the point. I say that I can't see one (though I concede it might exist).

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Thu Oct 10th, 2019 at 07:17:41 PM EST
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All law comes into being because people perform it. Whether they write it down or speak it is one of its attributes, not a factor of its function, product(s), or value--beneficent, perverse, or punitive.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Oct 10th, 2019 at 07:32:37 PM EST
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Why Do People Follow Bad Leaders?
Most of us want our leaders to be strong and confident, but too many of us confuse arrogance and narcissism for strength. That is wrong. Research clearly shows that the very worst leaders - those who become tyrants - are very narcissistic and arrogant.
The flip side is: Why do people not follow apparently good leaders? Perhaps "being" emphatically non-arrogant, non-narcissistic, non-charismatic, non-manipulative leaves you without a chance to be trusted with leadership. Nice leaders gonna be very slow learners?

At a finance conference in San Francisco, a billionaire jerk just made a sexist comparison.

by das monde on Thu Oct 10th, 2019 at 07:27:25 PM EST
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Understanding the 'Pop' in Populism
The polarized reactions that Trump elicits amount to one kind of evidence that something new is afoot in today's populism. Since Inauguration Day, the "resistance" has treated Trump more like an abusive stepfather than an elected head of state. Then there's his base, whose loyalty in the face of one transgression after another is famously unflagging [...]

Trump, in sum, is not just any populist, but one who appears to supporters as a paternal authority. This overlooked truth also explains their unflagging loyalty to him. Trump, to them, is no mere president, but a protector who has their best interests at heart - which is why perpetual attempts to unseat him by denouncing his transgressions will never rock his base.

Nor is Trump alone in functioning as a super-daddy in a world where more and more children and former children grow up without an ordinary father in the home

by das monde on Tue Oct 15th, 2019 at 08:38:47 AM EST
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Wow, you mean if traditional patriarchy based on the economic imperatives of a 3000 year old herding economy  had never been challenged then all would be well? I'm so surprised to see you citing such a thing.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Oct 15th, 2019 at 10:14:33 AM EST
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Challenging economic (and evolutionary) imperatives is not a bad thing. But skepticism about self-knowledge, selective empathy, limits of feminism is not terrible either. The feminist ambition could be humbler rather than Jacobin-lite in face of the historic scale. Otherwise, you will not know everything you are getting with unchallenged female choice and so.
by das monde on Tue Oct 15th, 2019 at 11:45:47 AM EST
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But we already knew that populism is about appealing to people's worse instincts. I'm not sure whether you think progressives should combat it by adopting its tactics, or whether you think it's a good thing in itself.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Tue Oct 15th, 2019 at 04:00:56 PM EST
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What are those?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Oct 15th, 2019 at 05:11:05 PM EST
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Why are Trump, Bolsonaro, BoJo so popular?
They take people's worse instincts and translate them into public policy.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II
by eurogreen on Wed Oct 16th, 2019 at 10:02:59 AM EST
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It is not really people's worst instincts, but innate social games, communal-ethical language, inherent Wittgensteinian forms of life that people have been following since eons, and will surely continue to follow for quite some time.

If the progressives wish to ignore non-modern, "superstitious" morality dimensions heroically, they are acting irresponsibly on a grand scale. Rather than telling to outdo conservatives in bad appeals, all I would ask is to show some historical intelligence and perceivable charisma skills - just to attract attention of those not that passionate about modernity goods.

But apparently progressive leaders are doubling down on a trajectory that most folks do not wish to follow. Take Elisabeth Warren as a trooper for those social justices:

A supporter approaches you and says, "Senator, I'm old-fashioned and my faith teaches me that marriage is between one man and one woman." What is your response?

Well, I'm going to assume it's a guy who said that - She would not consider is was a woman.

Then just marry one woman. I'm cool with that. - Most likely, that kind of guy has a compliant wife.

Assuming you can find one. - Ha ha! Spoken downwards from a position of power, with visible satisfaction. Not classy, really.

by das monde on Tue Oct 15th, 2019 at 05:37:10 PM EST
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I'm confident we're on the same page here.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Oct 15th, 2019 at 05:45:30 PM EST
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