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Sinn Fein is the second largest party in N. Ireland challenging the DUP for pre-eminence. It is the third largest party in the Republic where it does take its seats. No Scottish/English/Welsh party has any purchase in N.I. Corbyn campaigned for Remain in the referendum. Whether or not SF would have any influence in the next Parliament were they to take their seats is as yet unclear, and depends on how "hung" a hung parliament it turns out to be. Most likely, neither they nor the DUP will/would hold the balance of power.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Nov 12th, 2019 at 09:45:42 PM EST
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State of the parties
excluding 21 present in the Dáil Éireann, AFAIK not voting in any chamber of UK parliament.

"English" ennui, superceding effects of GFA/Belfast with EU rearguard, and recent parliamentary acts upon NI have loosed E-W ties the chieftains slowly realize. HRM BoJo's purported "betrayal" of DUP mightn't be such a bad "deal". After all Stormont ministers are left to divvy the golden egg of exclusive, E-W port traffick "rebates". Now who wouldn't fudge a wee bit of N-S declarations and spite for that--if need be?

Scottish ministers are envious so it must be good.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Nov 13th, 2019 at 01:15:33 AM EST
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Has anyone campaigning in NI yet proposed a double "rebate" for south-bound traffic?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Nov 13th, 2019 at 01:21:03 AM EST
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The deal puts N. Ireland in a uniquely advantageous position with access to both the British and Single markets regardless of whether an EU/UK FTA is ever agreed - but the DUP are too thick to realize that.

And yes, some "miss-documentation" aka "smuggling" may also eventuate, but under the deal it will be the British who will be "policing" the "Border down the Irish sea" in accordance with Single Market rules.

If they want to give EU goods free, un-policed, access to the British market via N. Ireland, that is their business. I doubt the EU would object.  So Boris may even be right that N. Ireland firms will not have fill out customs declarations to "export" to Britain.

But no way will the EU grant GB goods the same privileged access to the Single Market. Therefore there will need to be effective border controls for goods passing from GB to N. I. intended for the Single Market - aka the Republic.

What I can't figure out is what is to prevent GB exports "exporting" control free to N. Ireland, and then for those same goods to be sent across the Irish border invoiced as N. Ireland "exports".

Given that N. Ireland is supposed to maintain "regulatory alignment" with the Single Market, those goods will have to comply with EU standards - policed at the border "down the Irish sea".

The problem may not be so much "chlorinated chickens" bypassing controls, but EU regulation compliant chickens evading any tariffs due by being invoiced first to N. Ireland customers, and then re-invoiced as N. Ireland produce for the Single Market.

In theory, customs "rules of origin" should apply, but who will police them if there is no border within Ireland? Probably some "intelligence led" spot checks at Irish air and sea ports where "unusual trading patterns" have been observed. After all there are only so many "chickens" N. Ireland producers can produce.

The same problem could also apply in reverse. What is to prevent EU goods arriving in N. Ireland via the un-policed Irish land border and being re-invoiced as N. Ireland goods and "exported" control free to the UK?

How long, in the absence of reciprocal agreements, will GB be happy to allow EU goods such privileged access to the GB market via a N. I. "loophole"?

Probably only for so long as the amounts involved are immaterial in the larger scheme of things. Ultimately some kind of "trusted trader" scheme will have to be introduced to enforce rules of origin and prevent N. Ireland becoming a new smugglers "silk road".

But for bona fide N. Ireland producers, access to both markets could put them in a uniquely privileged position, especially in the absence of a comprehensive UK/EU FTA.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Nov 13th, 2019 at 10:59:03 AM EST
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well done. Your perception of fact, possibilities, and goals has moved, figuratively speaking, from one perspective (point A) to another (point B) on an arc circling that distant object known as The island of Ireland and its inhabitants.

The first statement (introduction) and the last (conclusion) express one proposition (thesis or detectable fact pattern): Intercourse and conditions which the body politic has inhabited have altered its future state (not that state, the other one). Expectation of individuation, so to speak, have emerged from narration of an ambiguous process, labeled UNION.

I see: The body of the comment however expresses doubts in that thesis rather than articulating proofs of ahem Truth's existence--supporting facts, exhibits or examples, as youthful essayists are trained to say by their teachers. The body disagrees with the proposition. Why is that?

To deny the reader the pleasure of The Truth with a litany of systematic police devices to detect, deter, and punish malefactors hiding in the "we" is rhetorically perverse. Point A--those questions--have been and will be addressed, answered, implemented, and adjusted in "plain sight" for eons. That point imbues the next with insufficient meaning of the whole ahem system, it is true.

Point B allows us to accentuate dispositve arguments regarding socially acceptable conduct at present. That is to acknowledge de facto agreement in words as well as deeds which demonstrate the greater "good" in those people who daily bring responsibility for one another into being. The the dude who stops at traffic signals is the same character--but different form--who will submit true declarations and tax, reject violence, abjure liars as well as "bad" law, and so forth, because they can in spite of the obscurity of their labors and mistrust of "leaders" de jure.

Now what do you say? How accurately do elected officials represent the actual will of the people who inhabit NI and IE?

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by Cat on Wed Nov 13th, 2019 at 06:50:35 PM EST
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In theory, customs "rules of origin" should apply

According to investigative journalism accounts in Italy (a country with a lot to lose export-wise for this reason) cheating is rife in this field, full of dodgy provenance and vague, sometimes counterfeited/replaced labelling.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Dec 1st, 2019 at 09:35:31 PM EST
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Labour would only allow second independence referendum if SNP wins Holyrood majority in 2021, party sources claim
No referendum in the first term for a Labour government ...
wut. we have here --at least-- is a failure to communicate when the next GE is scheduled. amirite.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Nov 13th, 2019 at 02:48:49 PM EST
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