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I thought the original Industrial Revolution brought poverty to the skilled workers (hence the Luddites) while the jobs and pride came a century or more later. But the Manifesto is addressed to people who think that Brexit will bring back control, so in that context it may make sense.
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Nov 22nd, 2019 at 07:24:51 PM EST
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Also: is there anything in the Labour "Green New Deal" which requires the UK first to leave the EU?

Environmental policies are not constrained by EU membership.

VdL is also harping about a Green New Deal for Europe.

by Bernard on Fri Nov 22nd, 2019 at 07:58:35 PM EST
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Yes. Promise to execute a legally-binding referendum remain or leave result.... qualified with column-inches of dodgy NEW! Withdrawal Agreement negotiation.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Nov 22nd, 2019 at 08:51:42 PM EST
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You may be thinking of the LOW-skilled workers rather than the MIDDLE-skilled workers and HIGH-skilled workers who took management posts at company trading posts, administrative offices, and plantations from, oh, 1640 until the wars of independence in the colonies after WWII.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Fri Nov 22nd, 2019 at 09:00:48 PM EST
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Prior to the GLORIOUS REVOLUTION and "boreal crown", England's economic growth and sub-division of industry into wage dependency blossomed with supply of diverse raw materials from continental entrepreneurs, chiefly Dutch circum-navigators.

I might have mentioned 9. "Commodity" and "Commonweal": Economic and Social Problems, 1520-1560, because the entire semester is such a droll yarn. Crown joint stock charters show up ~6 min before the end of that lecture.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Fri Nov 22nd, 2019 at 09:24:58 PM EST
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We are speaking in broad generalities here but my impression of preferment in the British colonial service and trading companies was not that promotion was based on skill, but rather was more about coming from the "right families", being made of "the right stuff", going to the right schools, and having a good wartime record as an officer.

Members of the "working classes", however skilled, rarely made it to the officer ranks in the military, or management offices in the civil and commercial sectors. This might have been partly due to the disparity in the levels of education available to the working and middle classes, but mainly it was just about social class.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Nov 22nd, 2019 at 10:45:27 PM EST
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Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Nov 23rd, 2019 at 04:09:16 AM EST
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Several centuries of British rule of Ireland led by incompetent toffs and with the working classes doing the dirty work as foot soldiers and Black and Tans?

Index of Frank's Diaries
by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sat Nov 23rd, 2019 at 12:03:24 PM EST
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m'k. How about the Irish Times?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Nov 23rd, 2019 at 07:56:28 PM EST
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Members of the "working classes", however skilled, rarely made it to the officer ranks in the military, or management offices in the civil and commercial sectors.

It seems that in the Royal Navy they did have a problem of 'gentlemen and tarpaulins', where men coming from the commercial fleet ('tarpaulins', usually pressed to service during war) were better seamen and commanders than those of proper birth.

It was considered an obsolete problem by the early 18th century, when commissions required a proof of skill and a service in a lower rank. So, even if you were a gentleman, you had to join the Royal Navy as a young boy - a midshipman - and process trough the ranks. Provided you had the ability for sea and a patronage of an elder officer, who put your name forward at the right time.

Patronage would, of course, allow people to prefer relatives and peers, but since in the higher ranks career progress depended also on the whims of the Whitehall, people tried to bet on those most likely to progress into the level where they could return the support and loyalty.

Therefore, one of the tasks of a ship's captain was to make sure that the young officers learned to behave like gentlemen regardless of their background. They might end up as vice-admirals, after all.

by pelgus on Sun Nov 24th, 2019 at 12:01:08 PM EST
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That's simply a terrible way to treat HRH's subjects. What was it that the Royal navy was doing by circumnavigating the world all those centuries? I forget.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Dec 3rd, 2019 at 02:11:31 PM EST
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