Welcome to European Tribune. It's gone a bit quiet around here these days, but it's still going.
Being a silver lining kinda guy, part of me cheered Brexit at the beginning as I thought it might offer the EU the spanking it needed to reform. At the time it looked as if Italexit was as - if not more - likely to be first to bust out of the asylum.
I also was conscious of how long and expertly the UK had trolled the EU for years while allowing - or instumentalising - the press to paint such a bleak picture of the EU - thus paving the way for such intellectual luminaries as Nigel Farage to exert their hold on public opinion.
Part of me also thought the UK needed to be taken down a peg or three and after Brexit would have to accept its imperial decline and start getting more real wth the world. Being back to the wall might be just the ticket to a nation reinventing itself after the kind of reality check Brexit would be.
So it was all hypothetical... I never really thought the referendum would win.
When they did, I never really believed they would be able to hammer out such complex legislation with the armies of lawyers needed and besides, it was consultative not binding so I figured the sheer lumpiness of tryng to figure a realistically practical way to get 'er done would stymie it in its tracks.
Especially with such a slim majority...
Apart from on FB I never dialogued with a hardcore Brexiteer, and after years on ET I had no illusions about the EU being heaven on earth politically/economically so it was a bit 'a pox on both their houses' and part 'frying pan or fire' as it's a distraction from the bigger geo-political picture involving Russia, China, the USA, World bank, IMF, goldbugs, the repercussions of austerity after the financial crashes of 2007-8 and 2012, the global financialisation of politics and the slide towards fascism seen almost everywhere as eternal-growth capitalism became cantilevered to the point of imminent worldwide collapse (along with the ecology needed to support the conceit). Those were the real problems, not this bureaucratic supranational power-bloc reapolitik squabble.
Now after a few years of Teresa May and Boris Johnson I thin the Tories couldn't exit gracefully from a paper bag, let alone the EU!
Still, deep in my gut I never believed it would happen,  it just is so off-the-wall nuts.
Still feel that way, and will till the day it happens probably.
If it does...
I guess one has to step back to the point where it objectively looks like ex-empires getting their overdue just deserts, or a collection of hilariously demented lunatics trying to out-ridicule each other for our entertainent.

Politics, showbiz for ugly people ~ F. Zappa

Meanwhile Grenfell... grotesque, hideous!

Brexit will be worth it only if it buries the myth that Etonians deserve to rule by divine grace, and the Tory party ends up 6 feet under, for once and for all.

Go Jezza ;)

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Nov 29th, 2019 at 08:04:15 AM EST
Almost poetic Melo! Where are your diaries? I actually thought there was a fair chance the Brexit party could bury the Conservatives - and Brexit - by splitting the Brexit vote. Turns out the Lib Dems were even more stupid and driven by blind hatred of Corbyn, and so a second referendum never had a chance.

But Farage committed hara-kiri - or at least did the bidding of his financial masters - and it is the Remain vote which is split and Boris set fair to ride triumphant into the sunlit uplands of Brexit.

For all the criticism he has gotten, I still think Corbyn did all he could to keep both Remainers and Leavers within the Labour party tent and his offer to hold a second referendum while remaining personally neutral is statesmanlike and a viable way out of the crisis with no one losing face.

But for whatever reason the British people seem to be buying all the anti-Corbyn bile as if the personality and charisma of the PM mattered all that much in the context of the gravity of the crisis the UK will be facing when Boris crashes out without a comprehensive FTA.

The reduction of politics to a televisual beauty contest and the sheer stupidity of people who are bearing the brunt of Conservative led austerity and privatisation voting for Boris beggars belief.

It will be very hard for me to muster sympathy for the British people if they vote for Boris and when it then all comes crashing down. It's not as if they weren't warned and didn't know that Boris is a lying, cheating bastard whom no one of any integrity would have dealings with.

And still it seems we are in for another few years of pommy moaning about the EU not being fair to them when they discover that nothing outside the EU comes for free.

The only benefit for most of the EU will be that they won't have to listen any more (but also won't have any excuses for not putting their own houses in order).

In Ireland the EU/UK dynamic will have another few years to play out - re-cast as a nationalist/unionist divide - and with an increasingly beleaguered and desperate DUP thrashing about for victims to blame.

But the die has been cast. Unionism's days in Ireland are numbered. It is just a matter of how gracefully the process is managed. Brexit was the last act of "those whom the Gods seek to destroy, they first make mad".

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Nov 29th, 2019 at 11:40:23 AM EST
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In both the US and UK, large swathes of the citizenry have maintained a deliberate ignorance about the Ueberklass's determination to stand on top of all the rest of us to avoid drowning, and the results are strewn all around us.
by rifek on Sat Nov 30th, 2019 at 04:21:53 PM EST
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I am surprised Corbyn didn't defend himself better at the debate when being accused of being duplicitous about which side he would campaign for. All he had to say was a firm:

 "It's not about me Boris. My personal opinion is my own and I have every right to cross that brdge if/when I come to it after further thought, study, debate and counsel.  I am not Prime Minister and am not running a Brexit campaign, as you are reduced to doing since no-one believes a jot of what you say with your promises about the NHS after what you plastered on the side of buses before the referendum and every other blathering word out of your lying, disingenuous mouth is Brexit. I respect the people's vote but they were un- and misinformed as to the consequences and if they vote again in a second referendum to leave, then it'd be my duty as PM to renegotiate a better Brexit deal, and have it supported by Parliament after due, unhurried debate, a negotiation with a new, improved EU at which I wll have a decided advantage over your prior position because I have excluded my own feelngs and maintained, professional, gentlemanly discretion about them while concentrating on the greater good of the many rather than my own bias and possibly stll incomplete understanding of this Tory-spawned nightmare into which your idiot ilk have recklessly, callously plunged us and future generations. Those generations who will bear the greatest burden for your folly and many more of whom are eligible to vote now on something of such importance to them.
You on the hand have zero credibility or ideas, and your whole political existence rests on one crumbling pillar, that of hard-crashing out of the EU while your chortling chums cash out on the sterling dive and buy up businesses on the cheap wth their ill-gotten gains."

Off-mike: "Wanker"

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Dec 1st, 2019 at 10:22:19 PM EST
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I think a shorter: "It's for the people to decide when they have all the hard evidence and a firm proposal on the table - and it will be for me to implement their decision one way or the other when they have made their choice. I am happy to abide with their decision whichever way it goes, but I do think they they deserve a chance to make a considered choice now we have had several years of debate on the issue and when we have an good Withdrawal Agreement and proposed future relation ship deal on the table." would be more effective on TV!

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Dec 2nd, 2019 at 02:04:51 PM EST
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