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It could be the same issue we see in the US. The metropolitan area are overwehlmingly left, but that still leaves vast swathes of the country where rather more atavistic tendencies predominate.

Anyway, that it for me. I see no point in staying up and watch the Hindenburg burn

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Dec 12th, 2019 at 10:13:26 PM EST
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It's basically sentient humans vs animals at this point. Get out if you can.

Although I have to say I find the poll very hard to believe. Even in rural areas there was fierce disgust with this version of the Tories.

But they can't just fix the result to order. Can they?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Dec 12th, 2019 at 10:26:21 PM EST
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Either the electorate of the UK have lost their minds or this exit poll will go down as the biggest polling disaster since Dewey Defeats Truman.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Thu Dec 12th, 2019 at 10:41:00 PM EST
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I don't know. It certainly reminds me of the stories Dolan of Exile and WarNerd fame tells about his youth in Reagan's California. Sure the students and young had all the energy and political commitment, but in the end money and silent resentment won out. Easily.
by generic on Thu Dec 12th, 2019 at 10:52:21 PM EST
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I remember those days very well.

But now California is a Democratic Party stronghold so things do change.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Thu Dec 12th, 2019 at 10:57:07 PM EST
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There are reasons to disbelieve the poll - to disbelieve the result, if it turns out to be similar.

None of the preceding polls were estimating a Tory win of this scale. And those polls were famously under-counting the youth vote.

The youth vote turned out in huge numbers. Turnout in general was much higher than usual - the highest in living memory in many locations - and that traditionally favours Labour.

There was significant and organised anti-Tory tactical voting, with candidates standing down and endorsing the other party in a number of seats. This has never happened before in an election.

A significant proportion of the Tory base is disgusted with Johnson. Some Tory stalwarts were actually encouraging voters to vote for a different party - including Labour in a few cases.

But Johnson - who ran an appallingly inept campaign - somehow managed to turn all of that around and win an extra fifty seats, presumably relying on working class Leave voters.

Even allowing for flagrant BBC and print media bias, that seems unlikely.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Dec 12th, 2019 at 11:26:08 PM EST
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I agree, it's really 'out there.'

We will have to wait for the votes to be counted.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Thu Dec 12th, 2019 at 11:30:04 PM EST
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And by the way, who is counting the votes?
by generic on Thu Dec 12th, 2019 at 11:37:38 PM EST
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The poll workers and watchers  

It's a fair system.  Paper ballots and there are plenty of people from all the parties to make sure there's no hanky-panky


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Thu Dec 12th, 2019 at 11:39:10 PM EST
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Actually it's pretty easy to game. You get yourself a few hundred spare ballot boxes, stuff them with a heavily slanted selection of the votes you want, and deliver them to the counting centre.

In theory ballots are numbered to guarantee this doesn't happen, but in practice I don't think the numbers are checked unless there's a good reason to check them.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Dec 13th, 2019 at 12:01:34 AM EST
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The brokenness (if you prefer a democracy over a republic) of the American system is the way the senate and electoral college work. That is somewhat different, I think, from the brokenness of the British system.
by asdf on Thu Dec 12th, 2019 at 11:42:32 PM EST
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