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The problem with a no-deal Brexit, if it turns out to be a disaster as is likely, is that Britons will see EU "intransigence" as the cause of their misfortune. And the EU will have to tread lightly in the event of new Scottish independence or Irish unification referendums, because then it will be accused of plotting to divide the UK and take parts of it.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2019 at 09:50:13 AM EST
Let's walk back that conclusory statement, if only to examine limiting factors on adversity and any (rhetorical) amelioration implied.

What is the goal of UK gov which EU secession impedes?

What is the goal of EU gov which UK secession from the EU impedes?

Every "problem" is defined by a desirable future state of conditions (some set of tangible and intangible properties produced by human industry). And, no, alleviating all human suffering does not satisfice for an thoughtful answer on either account, in lieu of obvious pretexts as well as concrete, historical performance.

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by Cat on Tue Feb 19th, 2019 at 02:23:57 PM EST
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You're thinking rationally here. It's not a reproach but...

Inchoate rejection of the transnational project is a necessary and sufficient explanation for the state of the UK herd mind. I suspect that May has done as well as anyone might, in articulating a political translation of that.

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by eurogreen on Wed Feb 20th, 2019 at 08:52:36 AM EST
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I'm not sure there is anything the EU can do, post a no deal Brexit, which will be perceived as "right" by the UK, and after a while the EU will simply cease to care - save for an abiding pity and sympathy for the circumstance that Ireland finds itself in.

The UK press and establish will bloviate as they wish and most in the EU will cease to pay attention or care. The two sides will drift apart, and any number of flash points will accentuate the process.

I do not rule out a trade war and military incidents around Gibraltar. Trump will cast his glowering gaze and dirty fingerprints over all. If BoJo becomes PM the EU will even lose the will to talk.

Everyone will simply hunker down and await the formation of a sane government in Westminster, and they could be waiting a long time. Scotland could well vote for independence, and N. Ireland for unity, but it will not be an easy transition.

If the EU were to thrive while the UK stagnates - or worse spirals into chaos - the stupidity of Brexit will become apparent to all, and the remedy obvious; But my fear is that the EU, too, will stagnate and ossify. There will be very few silver linings to encroaching storm clouds on offer.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Feb 19th, 2019 at 04:23:18 PM EST
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Not sure I agree the EU will need to tread lightly on Scotland and Ireland.  Both populations have been pretty open about their pro-EU views, and who knows?  Maybe this lunacy can damage the scumbag DUP beyond repair over time.

As for the Little Englanders griping about EU plots, meh, who cares?

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by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Feb 19th, 2019 at 10:25:00 PM EST
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