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Not only. FB has been stormed by Leavers all touting the 17 million votes in the referendum as proof that Brexit still has popular support.

Which after today, it doesn't. Not even close. When you get a million people turning up for Option One and twenty or so for Option Two, the idea that Option Two has any popular support is an obvious, glaring, outright, wild lie.

Which is where we came in. It's becoming obvious to progressives that the UK has the thinnest of all possible veneers of democracy. Underneath it is something slightly unusual - a propaganda-led far-right crypto-fascist government, which has specialised in media manipulation instead of the usual outright violent repression and intimidation.

Brexit was supposed to be the next step to a more formal arrangement, but instead it has shown that the UK's politics is a stage set propped up by money - some of it feudal, much of it foreign. With all of the media on-message - even the supposedly progressive Guardian had its pro-Brexit moments - and with FB using targeted ads and paid trolls, voters were supposed to roll over and accept that Brexit was a done deal.

That hasn't happened. Remain is more passionate about Europe than ever. Far from collapsing, pro-Europe sentiment has only grown, while Leave support is collapsing in spite of the industrial propaganda effort supporting it.

The only hold-outs are the corrupt hyper-rich elites, and their political prostitutes in Westminster.

I have no idea what happens next. I suspect this week will finally settle the matter. But it's clear that whatever happens there's been a serious shift in a progressive direction. if Brexit doesn't give it room to prosper, something else will - most likely within the next few years, rather than the next few decades.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Mar 24th, 2019 at 02:01:45 AM EST
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Frankly I don't know. What is generally called "Democracy" is just getting people to make a cross on a piece of paper every few years. I guess you are allowed to send money in between. Marching, striking or getting your head cracked by a police charge counts for nothing. Well no, as Chomsky already noticed 40 or 50 years ago: The "crisis of democracy" was people taking part in democracy.
The polls I've seen haven't shifted much and I wouldn't be suprised if all the 70 year olds would just show up again to put the cross on the piece of paper. Of course, I also wouldn't be surprised if the polls were utter garbage.

But at least this should make it obvious that there was never a prospect of anti-EU riots. Though the Nazis might murder another MP.

Of course this whole Brexit thing is still anti-politics. It reminds me of those utterly banal "more or less state" discussions the most boring OP writer in dying newspapers love to write. After all what is the purpose of leaving the EU? To be a bit more racist? Have they looked at the EU lately? Sovereignty, whatever that is supposed to mean isn't on the menu. No ()Brexit [Juche] on the paper. The last years should have Of course the people pretending to speak for the Remain side are just as riseable.


What are those European values supposed to be? And why is Tony Blair talking about them?
Now, given the utter senselessness of the question at hand, we can't really expect a sensible answer. Corbyn's pretend Brexit might not have been so bad, but is still nonsense. Rerunning the referendum is nearly as nonsensical as running it in the first place. Running a referendum with May's deal on it is nonsense. Or with Corbyn's hypothetical better deal on it. Tearing up all trade arrangements with no plan or vision is nonsense. And just revoking A50 after three years of this....
by generic on Sun Mar 24th, 2019 at 12:02:05 PM EST
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Love it, this charming turn of phrase which so many feel they know so well through their "lived experiences" begging the quesion:

What is politics?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Mar 24th, 2019 at 03:26:08 PM EST
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Admittedly it works better in German. The German "Politik" denotes the process of ordering public affairs, not the gaining of governmental power but rather the uses of it.
In that definition Brexit need not apply. After all, both Norway and North Korea are outside the European Union. And the Remain side is now mostly organised around a process argument, the People's Vote, instead of an outcome.
by generic on Mon Mar 25th, 2019 at 08:39:04 AM EST
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Possession is 9/10 the law, amirite

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Mar 25th, 2019 at 12:47:41 PM EST
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And the last 1/10th is the part that needs to be very precisely written down.
by generic on Mon Mar 25th, 2019 at 01:31:51 PM EST
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"just a question of time... they will have to reveal how democracy means zero to them..."
Tue Nov 29th, 2011 at 11:40:01 AM EST

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Mar 24th, 2019 at 03:38:25 PM EST
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by generic on Wed Mar 27th, 2019 at 08:20:22 AM EST
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well, well, well ... what a small world.

Back to the sewer of anglo-merican oral traditions and propaganda for moi!

archived transportations
demagogue Fr. Coughlin and the mighty ...influential Patrick Cardinal Hayes

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Mar 27th, 2019 at 02:06:04 PM EST
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It's becoming obvious to progressives that the UK has the thinnest of all possible veneers of democracy.

No, it could be thinner; it could be the US.

by rifek on Mon Mar 25th, 2019 at 02:58:23 AM EST
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Ahem.
by asdf on Mon Mar 25th, 2019 at 05:43:46 PM EST
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When you get a million people turning up for Option One and twenty or so for Option Two, the idea that Option Two has any popular support is an obvious, glaring, outright, wild lie.

Do reality and truth even matter anymore?  They certainly don't here in the US.

by rifek on Mon Mar 25th, 2019 at 03:10:20 AM EST
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