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HELEN: "this is why I have never understood all the noise in the media about Corbyn and what he thinks about brexit. His opinions are irrelevant, his desire, for or against a referendum, is irrelevant."
CAT: "The only "option" which Corbyn agita expresses should be, must be, understood as acknowledgment of UK third-country status and negotiating position viz. Lisbon without TEU protection extended 21 months from 29 March 2019 by the Withdrawal Agreement."

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Mar 25th, 2019 at 04:26:22 PM EST
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Corbyn has been positioning his candidature for PM post-BREXIT deadline. He evidently expects "no-deal." He evidently has difficulty persuading Labour members (UK, SCOTLAND, IE) to accept his leadership, when the political windfall comes to Tory "opposition" with third-country status to the EU.

UK EXIT is scheduled one way or another absent HoC vote to revoke. Exit is the conclusion to all "options".

Conversely, Corbyn evidently has prepared to re-negotiate the "Political Declaration" trade agenda in the event HoC ratifies the Withdrawal Agreement to appease Tories --BECAUSE exit is scheduled by the WA. (letter) Again, he does not dispute WA trade terms; he plans to conform UK third-country trade position to minimum EU or EEA criteria.

Some precepts in the "Political Declaration" must survive exit in HoC, IF the Uk is to trade with EU.

Feedback in the (crypto-Tory) press exploits Labour party ambivalence about Corbyn's popular support for the party as well as any popular vote that might symbolically undermine Tory dominance of the HoC.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Mar 25th, 2019 at 05:05:05 PM EST
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"He evidently has difficulty persuading Labour members (UK, SCOTLAND, IE) to accept his leadership"
A typo, I presume. Scotland is part of the UK, IE is not. There is an entirely separate Labour party in IE with Brendan Howlin as leader.

The NI Labour party holds zero seats in the assembly (0/90)and on county councils (0/462) and received 0.2% of the vote in 2016 Assembly elections. In the 2016 UK Labour party leadership election 765 Labour party members in Northern Ireland took part in the vote, with a majority voting for Corbyn (Corbyn 541; Smith 224).

It is generally not supported by nationalists as they do not support a UK party organizing in N. Ireland. It's vote might therefore be regarded as the tiny fraction of the unionist community who have a left wing orientation.

I have previously argued that there appears to be little substantive difference between May's deal and Corbyn's preferred deal - except that it is to be negotiated by Labour. However the Labour party also appear to be more open to putting whatever deal they negotiate to a public vote.

A you know all of this is moot unless May loses a vote of confidence/calls a general election and the EU grant a further extension to enable it to take place while the UK is still a member and in a position to (re)negotiate any withdrawal agreement.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Mar 25th, 2019 at 05:52:42 PM EST
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I guess, some people don't imagine a Labour Party without borders. Some do.

-- Labour Leader to attend PES Congress in Lisbon Dec 2018

The PES Prime Ministers of Spain, Portugal, Malta and Slovakia will be speaking at the Congress while the UK Labour Party Leader Jeremy Corbyn will also attend and speak on the Friday evening.
Brexit: Labour Party Irish Society urges Jeremy Corbyn to back second referendum Jan 2019
British Labour party divided: Jeremy Corbyn accused of failing to tackle anti-semitism in organisation
"Ms Ryan, who has represented Enfield North [UK-NI] since 1997, with a break from 2010-15, and served as a minister in Tony Blair's government, also attacked Mr Corbyn's position on the EU."
Labour voters should also back other `progressive parties' - TD Howlin, Nov 2018
"'If there is a constituency where we cannot have Labour, let us not have more conservatives, nationalists or populists. Let us have other progressives. As many progressive voices as possible in the Dáil and in local councils.' "
-- Scotland's papers: Second wave of Labour MPs set to quit party, Feb 2019
(one reason why WoS deride Labour wasting in Scotland's "devolved" parliament. They're in it to spoil unity as is the custom)
"a concerted attempt to do maximum damage to Mr Corbyn's leadership at a critical time for British politics."
-- Scottish nationalists offer support to Labour to topple UK PM, Dec 2018
"if it lodges a no-confidence motion on British Prime Minister Theresa May's rule"

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Mar 25th, 2019 at 06:45:16 PM EST
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The UK is NOT a member of the Second International.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Mar 28th, 2019 at 04:44:11 PM EST
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Neither was the US.

US-UK do not do international law. 'k?

As we should have learned the governments of these two nations in particular --the "elites" and their constituents-- will do anything to dissemble law, labor, civic culture which dilutes exclusive powers vested in it. The hostility of such governments toward inalienable human labors in all of its forms is legend.

wikiwtf status: Socialist International

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Thu Mar 28th, 2019 at 05:12:29 PM EST
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Another reason Bernie Sanders is useless.
by asdf on Fri Mar 29th, 2019 at 04:06:27 PM EST
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