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The normality of being one country among 28 is not possible.

Let alone one nation among 193 in the UN, and only fifth in economic size. Quite the comedown from the glory days pre-WW I. Of course most could ignore this decline until the '50s, when Great Britain had to shed her colonial glory.

Now England's challenge is preventing a run-amok elite from taking the whole nation even further down in a failed attempt to retain their class dominance.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Sep 15th, 2019 at 03:31:01 PM EST
Yet the Tories keep winning elections, like the Republicans in the USA. Don't know about the UK, but in the USA it is the poorest voters, those most abused by the elite, that keep voting for them!
Stockholm Syndrome?
by StillInTheWilderness on Sun Sep 15th, 2019 at 05:07:29 PM EST
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Perhaps it is the success of distraction and deflection strategies, whereby the elite successfully persuade the oppressed that their downfall is all due to immigrants, welfare spongers, meddling bureaucrats, unfair trade deals, or foreigners. Take your pick.

Marketing works best at a subliminal emotional level appealing to deep seated needs to be secure, wanted, respected, valued, virile, sexy, high status, and more important/right than the other guy. So you take something people want, find someone to blame for them not having it, and hammer home the message again and again. This takes money and access to media.

Libruls talking down to people in complex jargon they don't understand just doesn't cut it. Most people in the UK don't have a clue what the EU actually does, but are sure the EU is to blame. Most people in the UK know Johnson is a Charleton, but they don't care - he is their Charleton and he speaks to them in their language.

Juncker? He speaks French doesn't he?

Index of Frank's Diaries

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Sep 15th, 2019 at 05:57:57 PM EST
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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Sun Sep 15th, 2019 at 06:00:39 PM EST
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Help from auto-(in)correct?

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Sep 15th, 2019 at 06:31:04 PM EST
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And that's why democracy can't work.

It's approximately stable if you have an educated population and a genuine plurality of debate in the media. But when you have industrial systems of persuasion applied to populations who are deliberately denied education and access to heterodox views, it simply implements the desires of those who own the means of persuasion.

Marx was wrong - it's not the powers of production that should be put into public hands, but the media.

And that isn't necessarily a good idea either, for obvious reasons.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Sun Sep 15th, 2019 at 06:27:48 PM EST
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are media of production.

Perhaps you are interested to know exactly WHO owns the means/media of production--if it is not you? This information may be published but is not easily ascertained.

Likewise, the question seldom, satisfactorily answered by producer-consumers is WHICH product of their labors is more desirable than another?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Sep 15th, 2019 at 10:11:42 PM EST
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Pretty clear for the UK. Murdoch owns the bulk of the media, both newsprint and TV, the Independent is owned by a former Russian oligarch and the Guardian by a Labor Lord. And the BBC cowers in fear of Murdoch.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Sep 16th, 2019 at 05:39:11 PM EST
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The BBC actually cower in fear of the Daily Mail, the newspaper that supported the nazis right up till Sept 2nd 1939 and whose politics have barely changed since, owned by the tax exile Lord rothermere.

But aside from that, yes.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Sep 17th, 2019 at 11:23:48 AM EST
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Clear in the US as well.  The media are concentrated in the hands of very few.  And frankly the diversity was always a sham.  Over 60 years ago the CIA was referring to its media plants and front organizations as its "Mighty Wurlitzer" which it could play to control public opinion and demonize everyone from Gus Hall to unions to civil rights activists.
by rifek on Fri Sep 20th, 2019 at 06:45:12 PM EST
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When discussing Americans doing or not doing something remember:

  • 66% reject the Theory of Evolution

  • 56% reject 14% "Aren't Sure" their children should be forced to learn Arabic numerals

  • 33% of Republicans think colleges and universities have had a positive impact on the course of the country

So, in general, we're not dealing with the sharpest knives in the drawer.


She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre
by ATinNM on Sun Sep 15th, 2019 at 06:54:05 PM EST
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In general we're dealing with people who can't find their asses using both hands.
by rifek on Fri Sep 20th, 2019 at 06:49:39 PM EST
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No.

Follow the money. Money inducement, parts cash and status, furnishes masses of people for elites' political purposes. Of necessity masses of people reasonably expect money income more than than any ideology or politician to mitigate their grievances.

In the USA it is the poorest voters ...keep voting for [Republican Party]

This statement is not true. I trust you to search public sources to find data description of historical party control of federal government --POTUS, senate, house--1900 to present.

More difficult to locate and digest is US textbook editions for secondary school students, AP Government, for example. This material summarizes historical differences in parties' regional controls and electioneering for local, state, and federal governments. Republican Party historically has been successful controlling "down ticket" class antagonism by relating money inducements to local necessities. Beginning with "free trade," name these necessities.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Sep 15th, 2019 at 08:20:01 PM EST
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I think that until about 1970, the republican party tended to be the party of business while the democratic party tended to be the party of labor. The combination of the racist Southern Strategy, the inclusion of fundamentalists, and the conversion of blue collar Catholics by leveraging the question of abortion changed the picture. The democrats lost control of the lower income working class and immigrant voters.

Overall, the GOP is probably still the party of the wealthy, but the shift was when they managed to shift some working class voters to their side. Those voters are suckers.

by asdf on Sun Sep 15th, 2019 at 08:49:54 PM EST
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I have posted this before. wikiwtf source. See if you can locate it. Integrate the data with your theory of US poor people's preference for GOP- or DNC- controlled governments.

archived
bi-partisan purges of "commies"


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Sep 15th, 2019 at 10:23:11 PM EST
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1931-1995 democrats control both houses almost continuously. Southern strategy gets Nixon in in 1969.

It's not like this is my own unique and personally-developed hypothesis.

by asdf on Mon Sep 16th, 2019 at 12:07:59 AM EST
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"1931-1995 democrats control both houses almost continuously" and defeated communism, socialism, and collective bargaining rights at home and abroad.

Now, to whom do you owe the honors of decoding "The Southern Strategy" that purportedly induced poor people who presumably had been Democratic Party voters to elect Nixon, Reagan, two Bush, and a Trump?

Not to mention state legislature delegates and governors who enjoyed the pleasure of Republican Party company.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Sep 16th, 2019 at 12:37:47 AM EST
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Union votes to strike at General Motors' US plants
Roughly 49,000 workers at General Motors plants in the U.S. plan to go on strike just before midnight Sunday, but talks between the United Auto Workers and the automaker will resume.
"shrinking middle-class" purportedly abandoned by labor unions and GI bills
"We stood up for General Motors when they needed us most," union Vice President Terry Dittes said in a statement, referring to union concessions that helped GM survive bankruptcy protection in 2009.
nod to DNC bank recap, "Car Czar" unit, which pretended that UAW had not agreed with GM in 2007 (RNC admin) to a two-tier pension and wage shaft.
The announcement came hours after the union let its contract with GM expire Saturday night. If there is a strike, picketers would shut down a total of 53 GM facilities, including 33 manufacturing sites and 22 parts distribution warehouses. GM has factories in Michigan, Ohio, New York, Kentucky, Tennessee, Texas, Missouri, Indiana and Kansas.
"productivity" pride and "free trade" growth myths bite poor people in ass, right?
A strike would bring to a halt GM's U.S. production, and would likely stop the company from making vehicles in Canada and Mexico as well. That would mean fewer vehicles for consumers [!] to choose from on dealer lots, and it would make it impossible to build specially ordered cars and trucks.
Partisan "bickering" seems to be working well for middle-classes in the EU, too.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Sep 16th, 2019 at 01:24:42 AM EST
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Overnight "roughly 49,000" has become 46,000.

In Union Auto Workers Set to Strike at GM Plants , "A strike by the union's 49,200 members means a halt to GM's production across all its plants in the U.S., and would likely affect production in Canada and Mexico as well."

Which fact is true? And aren't you relieved that it's not your job, responsibility, or "mandate" to decide?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Sep 16th, 2019 at 03:05:06 PM EST
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"48,000 hourly workers"

White House says not involved in contract talks with GM, UAW union

"The Trump Administration, including Larry Kudlow and Peter Navarro, are not involved in the negotiations between the UAW and GM," said White House spokesman Judd Deere.

Politico reported earlier Tuesday that the two senior White House officials were "both involved in the talks," citing an unnamed person.
[...]
A UAW spokesman said he could not comment on a report about White House involvement because "we don't know about it."



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Sep 18th, 2019 at 06:47:22 AM EST
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GM Strikers Say 'No More Tiers!'
"It's uplifting because we're making a stand," she said. "We're not accepting concessions from a company posting billions of dollars of profit. And because we're all together. There's safety in numbers. We're standing up for ourselves in solidarity."

Strikers are hoping to make up ground lost since the United Auto Workers agreed to two-tier wages in 2007, followed by the Great Recession and the auto bailout, when GM got $50 billion from the taxpayers and even more concessions.

The company has since rebounded, making $35 billion in profits over the past three years. GM paid no federal income taxes last year and gifted CEO Mary Barra $22 million.

archived "Amazon of airlines"
Lemmesee: base-cut, two-tier compensation structure? I bet they fell for it.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Sep 23rd, 2019 at 08:19:12 PM EST
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Those suckers believe in Reaganomics, trickle down economy and in what Americans profess as the "American Dream". Hollywood fantasy ... ohh Reagan was a bad actor and Trump a poor showmaster of the Apprentice. 😎

Global Warming - distance between America and Europe is steadily increasing.
by Oui on Sun Sep 15th, 2019 at 10:33:21 PM EST
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How quickly the world wishes it could forget that
"legacy."

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sun Sep 15th, 2019 at 11:07:50 PM EST
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Ex-PM David Cameron 'sorry' for creating Brexit divisions
Cameron, who served as prime minister from 2010 to 2016, spoke to The Times newspaper to promote his soon-to-be-published memoir. He had supported remaining in the EU and resigned the morning after the 2016 referendum, staying out of electoral politics and largely out of the public eye since then.
ROLE model: Uber, 2018, Afiniti, 2019
He said the Brexit referendum turned into a Conservative Party "psychodrama" and that he had been "hugely depressed" about leaving his post as prime minister.
[...]
Cameron also turned to Twitter on Saturday to draw more attention to his book and the excerpts being published in The Times, tweeting "for 3 years I have kept relatively quiet about politics. But I think it's right former PMs write their memoirs, to explain what they did and why."


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Sep 16th, 2019 at 12:25:10 AM EST
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I won't be buying it in paperback, either.

I'll wait for Netflix's "Brexit" series. Sorry Dave will presumably figure for 2 or 3 minutes in the pilot episode.

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Mon Sep 16th, 2019 at 02:51:12 PM EST
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The forgotten man
Cameron saw the opportunity to demand guarantees for the UK's financial sector only to pump out Eurosceptic rage when EU leaders told him where to go.

"You have missed a great opportunity to be quiet," was Nikolas Sarkozy's retort to Cameron.

Several years later, after being presented with a bill for several billion euros as a result of an adjustment to the EU budget remissions, the then Prime Minister turned puce with anger. And that was before his cack-handed attempts to renegotiate the UK's membership status.

< pick teeth, suck vigorously >
archived in the shade of T. May
"Cameron veto", 2011
"Special Enterprise Zones" for All, 2017-2018
it just might confuse Arlene and Sammy!
The UK to remain within a reformed EU?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Sep 23rd, 2019 at 04:29:25 AM EST
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