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It only serves to undermine their credibility

spoken like a died-in-the-wool Tory projecting "blame" on Johnnie Foreigner, who is simultaneously working with Boris Johnson to prevent UK sovereignty by enabling parliament's extension addiction. 'slike Opium trade.

< wipes tears >

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by Cat on Thu Sep 19th, 2019 at 07:04:41 PM EST
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It's a universal principle of negotiation - never make a threat you aren't prepared to follow through on - otherwise you are just undermining your own credibility

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Sep 19th, 2019 at 08:20:47 PM EST
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I don't doubt. Quite the violent culture accustomed to coercion.

A threat is no part of negotiation, however. These concepts don't belong in the same sentence.

Perhaps you confuse "bluff" (pretext) with threat?

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by Cat on Thu Sep 19th, 2019 at 10:05:22 PM EST
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Well, technically, it's not the EU talking, but the president of Finland, Finland currently holding the rotating EU presidency, I'll grant you.

More to the point, I don't see much of a threat in the statement: "it's over" isn't threatening anyone with anything. What would following through consist of in such a situation? Stopping the negotiations by Sept. 30 rather than Oct. 31?

by Bernard on Fri Sep 20th, 2019 at 01:23:08 PM EST
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I can't see the EU stopping negotiations on Sept. 30th. if there is still some prospect of a deal. And if they do keep talking, the Brits will be the first to say "look, see, they always give in in the end. All we have to do is keep stringing them along... and then, as Boris says they'll compromise further at the last minute."

The main point of the BBC's news analysis today was that some progress is being made: for months the EU have been saying the Withdrawal Agreement is closed and can't be renegotiated, and now, here we are renegotiating it.

Of course the EU has always been open to changing the Backstop to a N. Ireland only backstop - even calling it something else or adding some consultative process to it - but these finer points get missed in what passes for news analysis on the BBC these days.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Sep 20th, 2019 at 02:47:10 PM EST
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Frank, your intuition about NI status was correct, if not politic, from the beginning. Eurotrib enjoyed some laughs at the expense of Hong Kong SAR, pirate colony past and present, until T. May went full-unionist-retard.

The salient lesson is, do not negotiate with incoherent persons.

The EU has attempted simply to communicate (algebra, property of numbers) terms of an agreement with the tree from which the most illiterate, ignorant, and litigious apple on the planet has fallen. I know whereof I speak.

Now it is time to walk away and wish UK a speedy recovery. I might have mentioned.

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by Cat on Fri Sep 20th, 2019 at 09:24:49 PM EST
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That's becoming way too subtle for many Continentals who are not following the subtleties of the British political debate closely enough. In the end, is it really going to make a difference?

If De Pfeffle & Cummings really think that the EU27 will cave in at the last minute, whatever Rinne says isn't going to change their mind.

by Bernard on Sat Sep 21st, 2019 at 07:41:43 AM EST
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  1. UK has been negotiating with itself since Cameron opened his big, fat referendum campaign.
  2. EU concluded negotiation of the WA 17 Nov 2018 (with UK 11 Mar 2019). Much denial from "stakeholders" ensued when EU revised the IE-NI Protocol specifically to help T. May secure parliamentary approval for "meaningful vote" No. n+1 and despite EC assurances thereafter that negotiation of the WA is over. So UK continues to fish IE-NI Protocol negotiation with stale "alternative arrangements" bait --2017 "backstop" options.
  3. Art. 50 promises (I think now, this is the word some people have been avoiding) secession of the notifying party in the event of "no deal" or no unanimously agreed "A.30(3) extension period". Treaty qua contract: What consideration have the consenting parties to TEU agreed? ##Rule of law is not well understood.
  4. DICTION CORNER: to negotiate, to come to terms or reach an agreement; independent clauses. So. Witness, still, UK negotiating with itself "in accordance with its own constitutional requirements" and words of encouragement to UK from the EU gallery to fulfill its promise.


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by Cat on Fri Sep 20th, 2019 at 08:55:10 PM EST
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