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I'm much afraid that Corbyn may overestimate his chances of winning an election against a simple demagogic People v Parliament (or elites, same thing) framing.

He should make Johnson sweat.

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Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 04:15:56 PM EST
That's OK.
At the "end of the day," both gov, HoC, and polity need desperately to own their failures before UK properly comprehends the mistakes made and necessary remedial action to achieve a desirable political goal.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 04:55:40 PM EST
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"At the end of the day" is a comforting concept we get from tales, stories, fiction, movies...

In history, there are no rounded conclusions/resolutions. Just another round of fucking up the business of dealing with the fuck-ups our elders left us.

See: WW2. "Never again!" they said. Just look around us now...

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Sep 3rd, 2019 at 08:53:42 AM EST
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practice, practice, practice

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Sep 4th, 2019 at 09:33:46 PM EST
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I suspect the threat to call an election is more calculated to scare independent MPs and dissident Tory MPs who may get de-selected into voting against any legislative move against a no deal Brexit. It may very well work too, because ChangeUK MPs (for example) have almost no chance of being re-elected absent an electoral pact giving them a free run against a Boris candidate..

But the threat empowers Corbyn as well. He can threaten to support the call for an election unless dissident MPs are prepared to back a caretaker Government of national unity instead. He can offer them an electoral pact in return for doing so. In which case the election could take place in the Spring after an a.50 extension has been secured, and perhaps a second referendum won.

For Boris, this is all about staying in control of events, calling the shots, taking the initiative. He does not want to look like Theresa May, haplessly at the mercy of the ERG and everyone else. He has to sound bullish about an election, even if he doesn't want one.

I suspect only an electoral pact amongst the opposition parties can stop him now, and that has to be a long shot. What the dissidents actually badly need is an alternative PM they can all rally around, they just don't realise yet, how badly they need it.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 08:04:55 PM EST
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You've got to have a horse to win a horse race. But you need to have the most votes to get the first chance to form a government, and you need to get a majority + 10 or so to have a reasonably stable government. If there is a split within the Conservative Party it would certainly make it difficult for a BREXIT government to be formed. It would seem more likely that there would have to be a coalition of 'no hard BREXIT' parties.

If Boris can be stymied in his attempt at a crash out, that could be fatal to the Leave constituency. So, is there any conceivable alternative to having Labour be the lead party in forming a new government after an election is called and BREXIT has failed?

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Sep 2nd, 2019 at 10:31:18 PM EST
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I agree that it seems likely this is an attempt to bring Tory dissidents to heel. More bluster from Bozzer. However, in the form of a very serious speech on the steps of N° 10.

That could well be a welcome sign that he is floundering somewhat. He can't pull serious speeches on the steps of N° 10 every day. He's using up his ammunition.

The more it becomes apparent to those who are paying attention that Bozzer cannot be taken seriously, the better the chances of him being beaten in an election.

Corbyn is repeating that he welcomes an election, which doesn't surprise me. Other voices in Labour don't seem so eager. Preventing No-deal is what comes first, they say. It's true that going into electoral mode will probably blow up agreement on a cross-party No-deal platform. So let's say that sowing discord among the cross-party plotters is a second hoped-for effect of Bozzer's speech.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Sep 3rd, 2019 at 08:41:46 AM EST
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Labour is backing away from granting Boris Johnson the 14 October general election he is threatening, fearing a "trick" that will end in a no-deal Brexit.

Jeremy Corbyn will only deliver the two-thirds Commons majority required to trigger a snap poll if legislation to block a no deal is "locked down" first, the party says.

Labour also fears Mr Johnson could be handed the election - and only then switch the date to after 31 October, when the UK would have left the EU.

"We are not daft enough to see a tactic dictated by PM Johnson which is designed to land us with a no-deal Brexit and to fall for that," said Tony Lloyd, the shadow Northern Ireland secretary.

And Corbyn says..?

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing
Nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Tue Sep 3rd, 2019 at 09:23:53 AM EST
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