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In the Westminster system, the elected legislature is supreme, and the executive ultimately subordinate to it.

And yet, the PM is a functionary of parliament. Apparently the supreme court is supreme, and parliament ultimately subordinate to it.

by asdf on Tue Sep 24th, 2019 at 03:18:29 PM EST
On the contrary. The Supreme Court has arbitrated between the executive and parliament, finding that the Prime Minister had exceeded his unwritten prerogatives.

Johnson asserted, by proroguing Parliament, that his government was supreme. If there were no independent arbiter, that would effectively be the case.

If he chooses to ignore the ruling, then it's a coup d'état.


It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Tue Sep 24th, 2019 at 04:24:02 PM EST
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Corbyn calls on Johnson to apologise to Queen and country - Guardian
Jeremy Corbyn has called for Boris Johnson to apologise to the Queen and the country for unlawfully suspending parliament to stop scrutiny of his Brexit strategy.

The Labour leader said the prime minister had abused the powers he has of the use of the royal prerogative and this was a very, very serious matter.

Speaking on the BBC Today programme, Corbyn said it should have been obvious that it was a "pretty risky" decision to suspend parliament and reiterated his call for Johnson to resign.

"I think he should apologise to her [the Queen] for the advice he gave her and more importantly he should apologise to the British people for what he has done in trying to shut down our democracy at a crucial time when people are worried about what will happen on 31 October," he said.


Of course, De Pfeffle does never never apologize.
by Bernard on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 12:39:27 PM EST
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Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 12:41:59 PM EST
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Corbyn the republican sucking up to her majesty...

Priceless

It is rightly acknowledged that people of faith have no monopoly of virtue - Queen Elizabeth II

by eurogreen on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 03:04:15 PM EST
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Corbyn has often demonstrated that he cares about the welfare of the UK's senior citizens so him proposing to crack down on scammers is very much in character.
by generic on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 04:01:11 PM EST
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That is NOT the conclusion I would draw. The Supreme Court was quite clear that the prorogation of Parliament was null and void BECAUSE it attempted to usurp the lawful power of Parliament. This reasoning would cover any attempt at a second prorogation. But Boris Johnson remains PM until Parliament acts to replace him.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 24th, 2019 at 04:29:09 PM EST
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SCOTUK vacated the Order of Council, ergo Commission reading in parliament.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Sep 24th, 2019 at 04:35:21 PM EST
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It is confusing (to me, at least) because "the government" is contained within parliament. The PM is, I understand, just a slightly elevated MP, elected by some other MPs, and able to be deposed by parliament at a moment's notice--if there is majority support.

If it only took 51% of congress to dislodge the POTUS, ours would probably be gone by now.

by asdf on Tue Sep 24th, 2019 at 08:18:30 PM EST
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In the USA, not a chance - on account of the Senate. In the UK there were majorities in both the HOC and HOL to ram through legislation constraining the PM. No US President has ever been convicted of impeachment charges in the Senate, which is not to say that those two impeachments, Johnson and Clinton, did not have any effects. Nixon resigned before the House concluded impeachment proceedings.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 24th, 2019 at 09:08:25 PM EST
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What I meant was that if the impeachment conviction requirement in the US Senate was 51%, and with the GOP only having 53 seats, there would be a reasonable chance of peeling off four of them to get a conviction.

Current rules are 2/3 vote, which is a practically impossible hurdle.

by asdf on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 03:37:08 AM EST
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50%+1 vote in the House to impeach. 2/3 in the Senate to convict. And there has never been a conviction. 3/5ths would probably be a better requirement.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 04:15:03 PM EST
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verdict: 66 senators
US Senate, 115th-116th session: 45 (D), 53 (R), 1 (VP-R)

min. gain to convict: (D) + 21

Good News!
Bill Krystol and Mitt Romney are canvassing the senate for likely votes to convict Trump.

Bill Kristol: Mitt Romney Is Ready To Help Democrats Impeach Trump
Bill Kristol: Mitt Romney Has Helped Reassure Pelosi There Is Republican Support For Impeachment  in Senate
buzz kill: Senate Republicans caught in impeachment glare

If House Democrats' impeachment ["]inquiry["] turns into an attempt to remove the president from office, Gardner and McSally will be two of the most closely watched votes. And for now no one on the Senate Republican side is even endorsing an inquiry, much less suggesting they might vote to convict the president.


Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Sep 26th, 2019 at 09:26:13 PM EST
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Boris has never been elected to anything by MPs. Indeed he has never won ANY vote in the House. He was elected by 90,000 Tory party and appointed by the Queen. Nothing more.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 10:29:00 AM EST
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