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It is confusing (to me, at least) because "the government" is contained within parliament. The PM is, I understand, just a slightly elevated MP, elected by some other MPs, and able to be deposed by parliament at a moment's notice--if there is majority support.

If it only took 51% of congress to dislodge the POTUS, ours would probably be gone by now.

by asdf on Tue Sep 24th, 2019 at 08:18:30 PM EST
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In the USA, not a chance - on account of the Senate. In the UK there were majorities in both the HOC and HOL to ram through legislation constraining the PM. No US President has ever been convicted of impeachment charges in the Senate, which is not to say that those two impeachments, Johnson and Clinton, did not have any effects. Nixon resigned before the House concluded impeachment proceedings.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Sep 24th, 2019 at 09:08:25 PM EST
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What I meant was that if the impeachment conviction requirement in the US Senate was 51%, and with the GOP only having 53 seats, there would be a reasonable chance of peeling off four of them to get a conviction.

Current rules are 2/3 vote, which is a practically impossible hurdle.

by asdf on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 03:37:08 AM EST
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50%+1 vote in the House to impeach. 2/3 in the Senate to convict. And there has never been a conviction. 3/5ths would probably be a better requirement.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 04:15:03 PM EST
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verdict: 66 senators
US Senate, 115th-116th session: 45 (D), 53 (R), 1 (VP-R)

min. gain to convict: (D) + 21

Good News!
Bill Krystol and Mitt Romney are canvassing the senate for likely votes to convict Trump.

Bill Kristol: Mitt Romney Is Ready To Help Democrats Impeach Trump
Bill Kristol: Mitt Romney Has Helped Reassure Pelosi There Is Republican Support For Impeachment  in Senate
buzz kill: Senate Republicans caught in impeachment glare

If House Democrats' impeachment ["]inquiry["] turns into an attempt to remove the president from office, Gardner and McSally will be two of the most closely watched votes. And for now no one on the Senate Republican side is even endorsing an inquiry, much less suggesting they might vote to convict the president.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Sep 26th, 2019 at 09:26:13 PM EST
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Boris has never been elected to anything by MPs. Indeed he has never won ANY vote in the House. He was elected by 90,000 Tory party and appointed by the Queen. Nothing more.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 10:29:00 AM EST
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