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Corbyn said in his Brighton speech that a Labour government would negotiate a credible Brexit deal within 3 months and hold a second referendum to give voters a choice between that and Remain within 6 months. (He did not specify whether that Labour government would be formed after an election or following a VONC in Boris in the present Parliament).

This ties in with my expected timetable that a caretaker  (Labour or national unity) government would negotiate a Brexit deal by the end of the currently suggested A.50 extension to end January with the referendum held during a further 3 months extension in April.

A general election would then follow shortly after the second referendum.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 09:35:38 PM EST
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Corbyn said in his Brighton speech that a Labour government would negotiate a credible Brexit deal

In other words, he is a much of a liar as Johnson?

by asdf on Wed Sep 25th, 2019 at 10:56:28 PM EST
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Credible means something different to Corbyn than it does to Johnson. Corbyn understands what the EU have to secure. Johnson assumes he can get anything he wants or just crash out. If you consider a crash out acceptable I guess that is a credible way to exit. But the Brexiteers have not been able to sell anything they have negotiated to Parliament.


"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Thu Sep 26th, 2019 at 12:01:57 AM EST
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No. Credible for Labour means a N. Ireland only backstop and a much closer relationship to the Customs Union and Single market sketched out in the accompanying Political Declaration. The EU (and Ireland) don't have a problem with this.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Sep 26th, 2019 at 11:01:21 AM EST
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But the UK will, because it makes the whole thing completely pointless and more or less turns the EU into the sort of undemocratic overload beloved of Brexiteer fantasy and conspiracy theory.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 26th, 2019 at 12:58:32 PM EST
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Every Brexit deal you can think off is inferior to actual membership... so change there...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Sep 26th, 2019 at 01:12:13 PM EST
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Well yes, but this one has the disadvantage of making a lot of the nonsense talked by Brexiteers true.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Sep 26th, 2019 at 01:31:21 PM EST
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They don't care about N. Ireland and the political declaration is non-binding anyway. Some are already talking about using any deal as just a stepping stone to a "clean break" later on - and using Ireland as an example - whereby Ireland got a v. partial independence (less N. Ireland, Treaty Ports, land annuities) in 1922 and then became fully independent and out of the Commonwealth in 1948. Some are even saying they would vote for May's deal as is if it were brought back before the Commons. Expectations have gradually become lower and lower...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Sep 26th, 2019 at 01:52:34 PM EST
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Corbyn said in his Brighton speech that a Labour government would negotiate a credible Brexit deal

Has he run this by the EU?

I am given to understand they have something to do with Brexit negotiations.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Thu Sep 26th, 2019 at 03:13:06 PM EST
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There presently may be no means for Corbyn to 'run something by the EU'. Were top EU officials to discuss an alternate deal with Corbyn would that not be considered 'meddling in the affairs of a member nation?'

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Fri Sep 27th, 2019 at 03:21:05 PM EST
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Doubtless. Corbyn might try very informal behind-the-scenes discussions with people who in now way officially represent the EU. Just to get some reactions, some advice.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, Nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Fri Sep 27th, 2019 at 03:46:52 PM EST
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What's wrong with that? Isn't that how Berlusconi was removed?
by gk (gk (gk quattro due due sette @gmail.com)) on Fri Sep 27th, 2019 at 08:39:18 PM EST
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Corbyn, like all UK pols, continues to subscribe to the UK common wisdom that Britain is the centre of the universe.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, Nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Fri Sep 27th, 2019 at 03:49:41 PM EST
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I believe that corbyn has been meeting with senior people at the EU since the whole sorry process started and has discussed borad outlines of what a Labour brexit deal would look like that has received broad support in Brussels. Largely cos it's more or less what the EU expected in the wake of the vote cos it's in line with what Vote Leave were saying about the shape of the deal.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Sep 29th, 2019 at 03:32:31 PM EST
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I never saw Corbyn as an 007 type. Because secretly meeting senior EU officials (in London? Brussels?) without the fact becoming known all over media and social networks and fueling massive Tory outrage about the Opposition undercutting HM Gov's official negotiations and bringing down the deal they were about to conclude and on and on and on... would really call for impressive espionage savvy.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, Nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen
by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Sun Sep 29th, 2019 at 03:59:00 PM EST
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Perhaps some less than senior members of the EU have met with Corbyn in the UK, quietly?


"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Sep 29th, 2019 at 05:14:13 PM EST
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No, it's been conducted quite openly. but the press have absolutely no interest in Corbyn behaving competently.

So, unless they can tie him to soviet spyiing, or total inventions about alleged anti-semitism in their own minds then they're not gonna say anything.

Oh look, here's another girlfriend of Boris...con't p94

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Sep 29th, 2019 at 05:49:52 PM EST
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'Streuth, 'tis true, next time I'll check before snarking. He even met with Michel Barnier (who was at pains to say he wasn't negotiating with Corbyn). It is in the media, in fact. It was a year ago almost to the day.

Trouble with Corbyn is he doesn't have blonde girlfriends with big tits. And he's not 007.

Things are going to slide, slide in all directions
Won't be nothing, Nothing you can measure anymore
L. Cohen

by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Sun Sep 29th, 2019 at 06:12:30 PM EST
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Yeah. I think we can assume Barnier showed him his old UK red line step function graph. I doubt Corbyn can have gotten any promises worth printing though. All timeline issues move back to the Council.
by generic on Sun Sep 29th, 2019 at 06:25:12 PM EST
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