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Good analysis up to somewhere about halfway, then it becomes "and they all lived happily ever after". It's true that would be nice.

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Nothing you can measure anymore
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by john_evans (john(dot)evans(dot)et(at)gmail(dot)com) on Thu Sep 5th, 2019 at 06:04:24 PM EST
Well it is true that no one outside Labour's own MPs may agree to join a "government of National Unity" but Corbyn can't be faulted for trying and it does satisfy the populist refrain "why can't they all just work together in the national interest?".

But what I am proposing or suggesting might happen would be quite normal in most other European polities - different parties with different interests coming together around some common policies for a limited period, especially at a time of national crisis.

The visceral hatred, at a personal, level which you see between Tory, Liberal, Labour and Brexit party supporters isn't always apparent between "colleagues" at Westminster many of who have happily collaborated on specific pieces of legislation.

A lot of the hostility on view is for show, and here my point about winner takes all electoral systems discussed elsewhere on this thread becomes relevant: The system actively promotes confrontation and discourages collegiality, even common courtesy.

It's all very well the rubes being indoctrinated that Corbyn is an ogre, but you would have expected experienced old hands in Parliament to realise he has mostly acted, calmly, rationally, moderately, even astutely in the Labour party's and often the national interest. Maybe that is why they hate him so.

So please forgive a naive outside observer for failing to understand why all this has to end in hatred, confusion, disorder and civil strife. It's not rocket science, and many polities elsewhere have overcome far more serious conflicts. Are you saying the English have basically lost the ability to resolve the most basic conflicts and govern?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Sep 5th, 2019 at 06:46:06 PM EST
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Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Thu Sep 5th, 2019 at 08:35:36 PM EST
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Brexit was predominantly an English nationalist phenomenon, and becoming overwhelmingly so. I know Wales voted for Brexit as well, but don't have data on how sentiment there has changed since. Labour is still strong in parts of Wales and has been moving slowly in a Remain direction.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Thu Sep 5th, 2019 at 10:52:45 PM EST
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Is the British government still in control?

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by Cat on Fri Sep 6th, 2019 at 02:08:06 AM EST
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He's lying in a ditch somewhere waiting to die...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Sep 6th, 2019 at 10:43:42 AM EST
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Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 04:03:31 PM EST
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The Englishman Boris Johnson currently personifies the leadership of he UK as PM. Under May it would have been a 'her'.


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by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 07:48:52 PM EST
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I strongly doubt that if he gets the chance Jeremy Corbyn would do anything but form a purely Labour minority government, based on the existing shadow cabinet and excluding most of the more talented Labour MPs.

Corbyn and his ideological allies are a small slice of the political spectrum and this will be their one and only chance of power.

Corbyn has his own Brexit policy, which the other opposition groups would not agree to. Corbyn will no doubt apply for a Brexit extension, but wants the chance to negotiate a Labour Brexit. It has taken extreme pressure within the Labour Party, to get grudging acceptance there should be another referendum on Brexit eventually.

by Gary J on Fri Sep 6th, 2019 at 07:26:52 PM EST
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But as the last two occupants of no.10 have shown, real power lies elsewhere at the moment. Any minority administration Corbyn might form now would have a very limited lifespan and a mandate to do 1 or at most 2 things: Request A.50 extension, and (perhaps) prepare legislation for a second referendum.

You can be sure that Lib Dem and dissident Tory MPs will be very vigilant in ensuring no "socialist" policy making or legislation is attempted. The one area where the government might be given some latitude is to negotiate "better" terms for both Remain and Brexit with the EU.

As I have suggested in my Diary, that could include a more social democratic policy input into a joint programme for EU "reform" with the Commission. The fact that any such programme would require Commission, Council and EU Parliament approval would, in itself, severely restrict its policy scope and ambition, especially in a leftist direction.

If Corbyn wants real power to implement a socialist agenda, he will have to win an overall majority in an election first, and at the moment he couldn't do so without at least some track record of success in Government and some measure of cooperation with other opposition parties.

Perhaps I am giving him more credit for vision and pragmatism than he deserves. We shall see.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Fri Sep 6th, 2019 at 07:39:43 PM EST
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Corbyn's majority party in both chambers will have to modify quite a number of laws. Or they can run about chanting with pitchforks to purge Corbyn apostates.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Sat Sep 7th, 2019 at 04:08:02 PM EST
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