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Frank: "I never quite understood the logic of SCOTUS calling a halt to counting so early in 2000."

There WAS no logic. It was a pure exercise in power politics. The Republicans did it because they could. That was why they had been all about court packing since Reagan.

"It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Oct 19th, 2020 at 07:44:51 PM EST
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Then why did Gore so cravenly accept such a partisan ruling?... I know, because he is an establishment idiot... The GOPers can hardly complain then if Dems DO pack the court, but somehow I don't see Dems doing it. They are too comfortable being able to blame the GOP for not doing anything substantial...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Oct 19th, 2020 at 08:01:58 PM EST
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If I remember correctly the problem in 2000 was that a contested election would have gone to the house, with each state delegation voting as a block, which had a strong republican majority at the time. The result would have been very likely the same.

As for Gore conceding: beyond the difficulty in winning (they first would have to achieve a victory in a recount in two counties, then legally force an overall recount and then hope that would give a more decisive result that the first round) there is the matter of timing. When the supreme court gave its ridiculous decision on December 12 there were only some six weeks left until the inauguration date. Which, legally speaking is quite short. On top of which the US has that idiotic system where a new administration has to name some 3000 odd people into government to keep it running. (Why the US government can't trust in a politically neutral civil service to do the overwhelming majority of those jobs is one off the many mysteries of the country's political setup).

by Anspen on Mon Oct 19th, 2020 at 10:53:21 PM EST
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The problem with having a politically neutral civil service do a lot of the work is that they would be guided by science and logical policy imperatives. If you are a conservative and trying to prove that the state can't do most jobs as well as "the markets" then the last thing you want is competent civil servants on the job. They might try to regulate the private sector, for one thing.

The genius of the conservative political project s that they have persuaded many of the hoi polloi that the state is their enemy rather than their friend, and that their true friends are billionaire business owners who have the best interests of everyone at heart. Even superheroes are in reality rich people trying to help the poor saddled with an incompetent police service and state. Sadly, if you recruit, pay, and train them badly enough, the police service really is incompetent.

And of course if the hoi polloi really want to be rich and emulate the billionaires, its easy to persuade them that they too could make it rich if they are smart and hard working enough, even if most wealth is actually inherited. The state, meanwhile, is populated by failed businessmen and ne'er do wells with their fingers in the till doing a jobs worth for the lobbying firms. Who would want to aspire to emulate that?

The progressive project is about the common good - a nebulous concept sometimes hard to define. The conservative project, on the other hand is about unabashed and unashamed self promotion, built on the insight that most people are fundamentally selfish and care more for themselves and their families than the rest of society. The pandemic is deeply subversive of that philosophy, because my health depends on your good behaviour for which I give you nothing. What could be more stupid than that notion, if you are a conservative?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Oct 19th, 2020 at 11:31:56 PM EST
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