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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall swings of 10-15% within a matter of a couple of months in previous elections as candidates got better known, as undecided made up their minds, or as events unfolded.

The change has let me to surmise that this election is not so much about policy or political opinion - which can change rapidly, but about tribal identification, which rarely does.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Oct 19th, 2020 at 08:20:22 PM EST
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Generally there are pretty wide swings, but a thing to keep in mind is that Trump is an incumbent and Biden is about as well known as a challenger could possibly be.

So the lack of wild swings isn't really surprising.

If Biden wins -- and obviously we still have two weeks -- I think this will actually wind up recorded as a pretty simple story:

"People have never really liked Donald Trump to begin with -- he's never had a net-approval north of zero -- and Trump then fucked-up the Covid response.  George Floyd was then murdered, and the fact that it was such a simple case and all on video shifted the perception of how black people are treated by cops, and Trump then fucked-up his response to that.  Trump continued to say crazy shit.  Trump continued fucking up the Covid response, despite Covid being the most important issue.  Meanwhile, everybody knows who Joe Biden is, and Joe Biden ran on `Y'all aren't excited by me, and that's fair, but he's a fuck-up and I'll fix his fuck-ups.'  And he mostly kept his mouth shut and let Trump hang himself."

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.

by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Oct 19th, 2020 at 11:29:41 PM EST
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And if Biden wins, it will be because the voters believe Trump is a buffoon and are exhausted by him, and they look at boring ol' Joe Biden and think, "For the love of god, give me that."

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Mon Oct 19th, 2020 at 11:35:58 PM EST
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And with expectations so low, how can Biden lose? All he has to do in the next debate is speak softly to camera his standard campaign lines - ignoring both the moderator questions and Trump's attempts to hassle him. Speaking grandly and warmly about bringing people together is what "Presidential" now looks like compared to the ill-mannered Trump.

But I don't trust him enough not to fuck it up...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Mon Oct 19th, 2020 at 11:43:42 PM EST
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Oh, honestly, if I'm Biden, I try to bait Trump into getting mad and skipping the debate again.  Then go give speeches in the key swing states.

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by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Oct 20th, 2020 at 12:39:07 AM EST
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Trump craves attention and acknowledgement. The more Biden ignores him, the madder Trump will get.

But yes. Biden can insist Trump wear mask for the debate or that the moderator must switch off Trump's mike when his time his up, and Trump will probably walk away in a huff or try to shout in Biden's ear from close range.

Biden just has to smile paternalistically at him as Trump has a tantrum - as Kamala Harris did, a lot, rather than challenge Pence with logic and facts. It's no longer a debate, not even a discussion. It's a political beauty contest. Who would you prefer to have as the head of your family...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot male dotty communists) on Tue Oct 20th, 2020 at 01:14:50 AM EST
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It's a political beauty contest.

Congratulations!

You are beginning to understand US politics.  It's never a debate - 99.99% of American don't have a fucking clue what a debate is - or a discussion.  It's a joint press conference "moderated" by the intellectually negligible.  

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Oct 20th, 2020 at 05:26:46 AM EST
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Another weird thing about 2020.

If you squint your eyes a bit they're both incumbents.  Trump because he is and Biden because of his 8 years as VP to an extremely popular president.

She believed in nothing; only her skepticism kept her from being an atheist. -- Jean-Paul Sartre

by ATinNM on Tue Oct 20th, 2020 at 05:22:07 AM EST
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